Harry Reid’s Racist Mormon Beliefs Exposed in Illinois Senate Contest

Pensito Review ^ | January 4, 2009 | Trish Ponder

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I knew eventually that the Democratic party’s leadership being infiltrated by Mormons would hurt us. I have made clear I believe Mormonism to be a racist, sexist, homophobic, fraudulent, and bizarre cult so if you’re coming in late and are astounded that I make no apology for my views, well…you’re coming in late. Reid is clearly letting his Mormon beliefs override good sense, assuming he has any

Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nev.) is making my worst fears a reality. How this man got to be Senate Majority Leader is a mystery to me but he needs to go. Reid is clearly letting his Mormon beliefs override good sense, assuming he has any. By calling on Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich not to appoint an African-American to succeed Barack Obama in the Senate, he is taking the Democratic party into the wacko zone with him.

From Mormonism’s earliest years, its leaders believed Africans were cursed descendants of Cain. As such, they were unfit for full participation.

[ejonesie22]

Too many...

[reaganaut]

I wanted a source for your assertion that Utah was mostly Republican in the 1800’s.

I am far from stupid. I know how to look up election results, but that does not necessarily mean that the LDS members were Republicans. LDS cross party lines to vote for other LDS for various reasons, look how many LDS vote for Reid.

[reaganaut]

You just got called stupid by someone who says Mormons worship the same god as he does as a non Mormon...

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Which proves they have no idea what “stupid” really is.

[reaganaut]

i know. I laughed too.

[FastCoyote]

[Their God and mine are the same.]

Since Mormons beieve you can become a God of your own planet (and presumably Joseph Smith has already scored a rock circling some sun - else who could?), are you saying Joseph Smith is your God, or is it the God who lives on the planet Kolob and populates the universe by breeding spirit children? Just curious.

[NoRedTape]

So, you’re trying to tell me that public figures like Pelosi, Kerry and the Kennedys are flying under the radar while Reid and Romney are orthodox? No.

--No, I'm saying Pelosi, Kerry and the Kennedys do not ascribe to Catholic Doctrine. Jesus founded the Catholic Church, so it's pretty darn basic that those folks are out in leftist field. "Progressive" cluelessness has enveloped them. Pay them no never-mind.

The direct correlation that you’re searching for is this: Churches are made up of flawed men who trade principle for political power.
-- Christian Churches are all made-up of flawed folks. Never seen a non-sinner.

The mormons are in a cult, so I'm not quite sure what your are referring to......or what their situation is. They are out in some other whacked left field.
They believe in some dude named Joe; don't know why, don't know how. Means nothing.

Anything and All things mormon are HERE.........

Very sad.

[Colofornian]

Mormons are Mormons. They do not and should not make apology for that. Their God and mine are the same.

So your god didn't exist from all eternity?
Your god "evolved" from "intelligence to non-divine spirit-birth being to human creature embryo to human being to god?"
So your god belongs to the Council of Gods Association?
So your god is a polygamist?

[svcw]

Would that be the 1800’s before there was a Republican Party or the 1800's after the Republican Party was founded? Or was that before Utah was a state or after they became a state, when they changed their entire foundation of their beliefs (plural marriage)?
Just some simple questions, you know inquiring minds want to know?

[reaganaut]

well, lets see... The GOP was founded in 1854, and Utah did not become a state until 1896 (after the “revelation”). That leaves most of the second half of the 1800’s that Utah was NOT republican. The main party prior to that was the People’s party (Mormon).

Frank Cannon was Rep. but did not take office until 1896 and lost his re-election. He was the son of an LDS leader and apostle George Q. Cannon. He left the Replican party to join the “Silver Republican Party” then by 1900 defected to the Democrats. So much for being a “solid republican”. LOL.

From what I have read, his choice to run as a Republican was the hope of getting the National Republican to “back off” on some LDS related issues.

From my earlier posts:

Largely because of this Church effort, Republicans and Democrats were both well-represented around the turn of the century. The Democrats had some impressive victories; in the first presidential election after Utah statehood in 1896, Democrats earned eighty percent of the presidential vote for William Jennings Bryan and elected many of their own to state, local, and national offices. Democrats also had great successes in the 1910s, in the 1930s with the rise of Franklin D. Roosevelt, and in 1964 with the Lyndon B. Johnson landslide.

[Colofornian]

Me: Do you realize that most Lds political leaders from the 19th century into the early 20th century were Democrats?

Martial Monk: No they weren't. The enabling act for Utah's admission to the union was signed by a Democrat in anticipation of a new Democratic State. That didn't happen. Despite being a western mining state admitted during the height of the free silver and Populist/Democratic movement Utah dallied with the Democrats for a brief moment and went straight Republican.

Reaganaut to Martial Monk: wanted a source for your assertion that Utah was mostly Republican in the 1800’s.

19th century

Reaganaut to svcw: The GOP was founded in 1854, and Utah did not become a state until 1896 (after the “revelation”). That leaves most of the second half of the 1800’s that Utah was NOT republican. The main party prior to that was the People’s party (Mormon).

(And the other major party from 1870-1893 in Utah was The Liberal Party, founded by an ex-communicated Mormon & it was considered the "anti-Mormon" party...this party had some polygamists in its midst so it really wasn't outspoken vs. polygamy until 1880s at some point...The Liberal party had 1/3rd of the Utah State Legislature in 1891)

But you're right, Reaganaut. I'm not sure if MM is defending the claim that Lds wasn't mostly Democratic in the early 1900s or the 1800s or both. I'm still further checking on the early 1900s...but MM claimed that Utah "dallied with the Democrats for a brief moment and went straight Republican." It looks to me that the only "brief dallying" was when the Utah Legislature went temporarily Republican in 1896 in its Utah State Legislature (31-14 R in the House of Reps & 11-7 R in the State Senate)...by the following year --1897 -- it had astoundly flip-flopped -- 39 Dems, 3 Republicans & 3 Populists in the UT House of Reps and 17 Dems, 0 Rep, & 1 Populist in the UT Senate.

1856-1887:

We know the fledgling Republicans called "polygamy" one of the "twin relics of barbarism" in 1856 -- so we know the Mormon legislators weren't hustling over to the Republicans. And the anti-polygamy Congressional sentiment from the 1860s through the 1880s fostered the same thing. Nationally 'twas the Southern Democrats who opposed the Edmunds Act in 1882 -- so the Lds reps were split between the People's Party & the Dems -- and to a much lesser degree, Republicans & the Liberal party at that time.

1888-1892:

Anthony Ivins, the man behind many of the continued Lds "plural unions" solemnized in Juarez, Mexico 1895-1907 (that's right, hundreds of such unions were solemnized after the famous 1890 manifesto), was appointed to a church position in St. George, UT in 1888 and according to onlineutah.com, Ivins "organized the Sagebrush Democrat" movement that year to draw more away from the People's Party & Liberal party.

According to another source, a 1909 book in the BYU library, the movement was sweeping. Josiah F. Gibbs wrote a 1909 book published by the Salt Lake Tribune called "Lights and Shadows of Mormonism." On p. 314, Gibbs says: "...the fact that ALL the Utah delegates, from Dr. Bernhisel down to John T. Caine in 1888, affiliated with the Democrats in Congress clearly proves that the Mormon leaders believed that the interests of the church were safer in the hands of the Democratic party, which, as a national organization, had not manifested any hostility to the Utah Saints."

You gotta understand, MM, that the feds in the late 1880s were placing heavy pressure upon the Lds church. So no wonder they were seeking security in the Democratic party. As Reaganaut's quote revealed: When Mormons did think in terms of national politics, they were almost universally Democrat, as the Republicans opposed Utah statehood.

Post-manifesto years -- 1890s:

Excerpt cited by Reaganaut from allaboutmormons.com: In order to gain the senate’s approval for statehood, Utah was required to “normalize its political allegiances.” The Church disbanded the Mormon People’s Party but feared that a mass Mormon migration to the Democratic Party would displease Republican senators. Church leaders sent Apostle John Henry Smith to visit LDS congregations. It was possible to be a faithful Mormon and a Republican, he explained to the amazement of many LDS faithful. In 1893, the Church even asked some specific families to become Republicans, a move that would be unimaginable today.

Hence, it wasn't til about 1893 that the church had many of its members flip-flop to the Republicans...a move that continued heavily through most of 1896 until election day of that year -- when as Reaganaut's excerpt shows: The Democrats had some impressive victories; in the first presidential election after Utah statehood in 1896, Democrats earned eighty percent of the presidential vote for William Jennings Bryan and elected many of their own to state, local, and national offices.

(Hence the big turnaround in 1897 I cited above)

Allaboutmormons.com says it rebalanced fairly evenly right about the turn of the century.

[MARTIAL MONK]

Until 1890 the only significant parties were the Liberal and the Peoples parties. These were disbanded in favor of the Republicans and Democrats. The first two Senators elected (by the legislature) were Republicans. The first Representative was a Republican. The first three Governors were Republican.

1896 was the year of the "Cross of Gold" Democrats. Colorado, Nevada, Montana, and Idaho (all mining states) replaced Republican governors with Democratic ones. Utah voted for William Jennings Bryan by almost the same exact percentage as did the other four mining states. In 1900 they voted McKinley over Bryan.

[Colofornian]

Until 1890 the only significant parties were the Liberal and the Peoples parties.

#1, as I said in my previous post, the Liberal Party didn't even exist in the 1850s & 1860s...& the Republicans weren't popular amongst the Mormons from at least 1856-until 1893...so there's NO WAY you can make ANY argument that the Republicans were "in the lead" in Utah except for the years 1893-1896.

The Liberal party did well in the 1870s and then again in the late 1880s, culminating w/one-third of the state legislature in 1891. (They dropped off around 1880 for a time). But again, the Liberal party was the NON-MORMON party...therefore, we're REALLY NOT discussing Mormons when we reference them.

So that means, most Mormons in the 1850s, the 1860s, the 1870s, and most of the 1880s were either part of The Peoples Party or the Democrats. And it was true that the Peoples Party was strong in the 1880s until 1888 & may have had more adherents than the Dems for many/most of the those yrs.

I was making a general statement that I stand by -- a statement where most Lds political leaders from the 19th century into the early 20th century were Democrats...that was true 1896 --> rest of the century...and certainly there were more Democrats than Republicans all throughout the 19th century -- with the likely exception of 1893 or 1894 to Nov. 1896.

[MARTIAL MONK]

I'm making the mistake of arguing with a mental defective but here goes:

Until statehood there were no Republicans and there were no Democrats. There was the Liberal Party and there was the People's Party. Before that there was no affiliation, only candidates designated by the Church. Looking outward where there were Republicans and Democrats they may have chaffed at the demands of the Republicans but it was a Democrat who sent the army of occupation. Any affinities are pure speculation.

I did not say that the Republicans were "in the lead" and don't you put anything in quotations as if I wrote it. You are not smart enough for that.

The Mormons in the 1850s and 1860s were neither People's Party nor Democrats. The People's Party did not exist and the Democrats were not on the ballot.

On admission to the Union and given their first opportunity to vote Republican or Democrat, they elected a full slate of Republicans. In 1896 they voted for the free silver Democrat, the same as every other mining state. By 1900 they were solidly in the Republican camp.

What are you trying to prove in that warped twisted mind of yours? The Republican Party wants and needs the Mormons. They are the most Reaganite of the Reaganites.

You can go elsewhere.

[Elsie]

kinda like being called UGLY by a toad!

[Elsie]

I despise Reid, but all other Mormons I know-not a racist among them.

 

I guess things have changed...

 

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"You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind.

The first man that committed the odious crime of killing one of his brethren will be cursed the longest of any one of the children of Adam. Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings.

This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin. Trace mankind down to after the flood, and then another curse is pronounced upon the same race--that they should be the 'servant of servants', and they will be, until that curse is removed."

Brigham Young-President and second 'Prophet' of the Mormon Church, 1844-1877- Extract from Journal of Discourses.

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Here are two examples from their 'other testament', the Book of Mormon.

  2 Nephi 5: 21    'And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people, the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.'

  Alma 3: 6    'And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, who consisted of Nephi, Jacob and Joseph, and Sam, who were just and holy men.'

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August 27, 1954 in an address at Brigham Young University (BYU), Mormon Elder, Mark E Peterson, in speaking to a convention of teachers of religion at the college level, said:

"The discussion on civil rights, especially over the last 20 years, has drawn some very sharp lines. It has blinded the thinking of some of our own people, I believe. They have allowed their political affiliations to color their thinking to some extent.I think I have read enough to give you an idea of what the Negro is after."

"He is not just seeking the opportunity of sitting down in a cafe where white people eat. He isn't just trying to ride on the same streetcar or the same Pullman car with white people. It isn't that he just desires to go to the same theater as the white people. From this, and other interviews I have read, it appears that the Negro seeks absorption with the white race. He will not be satisfied until he achieves it by intermarriage."

"That is his objective and we must face it. We must not allow our feelings to carry us away, nor must we feel so sorry for Negroes that we will open our arms and embrace them with everything we have. Remember the little statement that we used to say about sin, 'First we pity, then endure, then embrace'...."

(Rosa Parks would have probably told Petersen under which wheel of the bus he should go sit.)

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 1967, (then) Mormon President Ezra Taft Benson said,

"The Communist program for revolution in America has been in progress for many years and is far advanced. First of all, we must not place the blame upon Negroes. They are merely the unfortunate group that has been selected by professional Communist agitators to be used as the primary source of cannon fodder."

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We are told that on June 8, 1978, it was 'revealed' to the then president, Spencer Kimball, that people of color could now gain entry into the priesthood.

According to the church, Kimball spent many long hours petitioning God, begging him to give worthy black people the priesthood. God finally relented.

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Sometime before the 'revelation' came to chief 'Prophet' Spencer Kimball in June 1978, General Authority, Bruce R McConkie had said:

"The Blacks are denied the Priesthood; under no circumstances can they hold this delegation of authority from the Almighty.

The Negroes are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain blessings are concerned, particularly the priesthood and the temple blessings that flow there from, but this inequality is not of man's origin, it is the Lord's doings."

(Mormon Doctrine, pp. 526-527).

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When Mormon 'Apostle' Mark E Petersen spoke on 'Race Problems- As they affect the Church' at the BYU campus in 1954, the following was also said:

"...if the negro accepts the gospel with real, sincere faith, and is really converted, to give him the blessings of baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost, he can and will enter the celestial kingdom. He will go there as a servant, but he will get celestial glory."

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When Mormon 'Prophet' and second President of the Church, Brigham Young, spoke in 1863 the following was also said:

"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God is death on the spot. This will always be so."

(Journal of Discourses, Vo. 10, p. 110)

[Elsie]

...it was a Democrat who sent the army of occupation.

And it was MORMON leadership that rolled over, belly up, and gave in to the Mighty power of the US Government to NO LONGER follow what their GOD told them was an EVERLASTING COVENANT.

[Elsie]

Brigham Young said, “I have never yet preached a sermon and sent it out to the children of men, that they may not call scripture.” (Journal of Discourses 13:95).

There you go again!

Circular logic!

[Elsie]

He’s in a tight spot!

[Elsie]

Calling for this thread to be pulled.

Gee...

When will this happen?

I have LOTS of things to say!

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I find some of the posts on this thread shocking in their bigotry and misrepresentations.

Could you point out what you consider to be misrepresented?

I would HATE that anyone GUESS at the wrong stuff!

[Elsie]

...the Mormons strike me favorably as a basically conservative group.

Did we say they WEREN'T?