Posted on 01/11/2010 7:46:11 AM PST by colorcountry
I knew eventually that the Democratic party’s leadership being infiltrated by Mormons would hurt us. I have made clear I believe Mormonism to be a racist, sexist, homophobic, fraudulent, and bizarre cult so if you’re coming in late and are astounded that I make no apology for my views, well…you’re coming in late. Reid is clearly letting his Mormon beliefs override good sense, assuming he has any
Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nev.) is making my worst fears a reality. How this man got to be Senate Majority Leader is a mystery to me but he needs to go. Reid is clearly letting his Mormon beliefs override good sense, assuming he has any. By calling on Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich not to appoint an African-American to succeed Barack Obama in the Senate, he is taking the Democratic party into the wacko zone with him.
From Mormonism’s earliest years, its leaders believed Africans were cursed descendants of Cain. As such, they were unfit for full participation.
“a moron, and a communist,”
redundancy alert!
Since Mar 26, 1998
Maybe you just mistyped.
Imagine? LOL Greyfoxx, you and I both know that this is in fact exactly the case!
Both Harry and Mitt are equally "temple recommend holding "worthy" mormons...which, if you knew anything about mormonism you would know they are part of the exclusive group allowed to take part in temple rituals.
I would venture to say that Pelosi, Kerry and Kennedy equally represent their OWN echelon of Catholicism, whatever that may be. It has long puzzled me that they are/were allowed to take communion, given their views.
The word comes down from the top and is obeyed all through the organization.
- - - - -
Yep. When I was active LDS and living in Utah, Wilford Brimley wanted to pass an initiative allowing horse racing in the state. There was a letter read in our ward (I am assuming other wards as well since other people knew about it) telling us to vote against it in the upcoming election. It went down in flames.
The LDS are not taught to think for themselves, they are taught to follow the leaders.
“I’ve been here since 1994,....”
So you just lurked for 4 years? Then you registered in ‘98
so you could be “pissed” and let people know?
Noted.
So, by extension Nancy Pelosi, John Kerry and the late Edward Kennedy represent Catholicism?
- - - - - - - -
There are vast differences between Catholicism and Mormonism. A main one is that Catholics are not called into an annual meeting with their priest to make sure they are following Catholic doctrine/practices. The LDS ARE subjected to these annual interviews. Also, Catholics have “de facto excommunication” while the LDS have “Bishop’s court” where a group of other leaders decide if you are still LDS or not. Much more rigid and more official excommunications occur this way.
That being said, I CANNOT FIGURE OUT WHY Kerry, Kennedy et all have not been officially ex-communicated and denied the Eucharist unless it is because there are a group of Catholics that support their ideas. This is also seen by the response of many of the Women Religious groups to the current investigation. The Catholic libs are being “outed”, which is a very good thing.
Fascinating."
There is no correlation. Mittster was a former "bishop" in his "church", and Reid is a good mormon cultist, just like Mitt.
Pelosi, Kerry and the Kennedy's don't follow the Doctrine of their Church and are CINOS (Catholic in name only). They don't
reflect the views of Catholicism, especially that pesky abortion thingy.
So, you’re trying to tell me that public figures like Pelosi, Kerry and the Kennedys are flying under the radar while Reid and Romney are orthodox? No.
The direct correlation that you’re searching for is this: Churches are made up of flawed men who trade principle for political power.
No they weren't. The enabling act for Utah's admission to the union was signed by a Democrat in anticipation of a new Democratic State. That didn't happen. Despite being a western mining state admitted during the height of the free silver and Populist/Democratic movement Utah dallied with the Democrats for a brief moment and went straight Republican. It is one of the most conservative and Republican of states. They will, on occasion, vote a popular personality with a Democratic tag but since admission the LDS has always been Republican. Always.
I was just a kid up on the Kansas-Nebraska border when I stumbled across the Pro-life movement back in the early ’70s. They were collecting money for the fight down in Louisiana. It was a Catholic fight but the money was coming from little towns and churches all across the country and the money came from all denominations, including mine. I don't know as I had ever seen one at that time but the Mormons out west were rallying and contributing like no one else. I wondered who they were and why they were taking up this fight half a continent away. Later I got to meet them face to face as I bounced across the West. I was always welcomed and soon learned to seek them out when I was in a new town. Their religion was different from mine but there never was any doubt but that we bowed to the same Lord and Savior.
We had a lot in common. The same Bible-thumping freaks that had run the Mormons out of Missouri had turned on my people next. The murdering bastards crossed the border into Kansas vowing to “Mormonize” us. They killed enough to earn Kansas the title of “Bleeding Kansas”. My people were Anabaptists, pacifists, but they were first in line to go and fight this dark and glowering evil. At the risk of their very souls by a God that commanded “Thou shalt not kill” they went into the heart of this beast to stamp out this people and their God of slavery and murder. A hundred years later we were back doing what we could to stop the slaughter of innocents by a people who claimed a divine sanction of their actions. Baptists.
In the run-up to the 1980 election the Reagan campaign in the West was Mormon. They had the most efficient and effective organization that I have ever seen. Someone would say something in San Diego and the next morning there were campaign workers on the street in Boise, in Phoenix, in Albuquerque, in Denver, in Butte and a hundred other cities. We won the West, all of it, in no small part due to the Mormons. Utah voted Reagan with 73%.
If you want to see the future of the conservatism and the Republican Party just take a tour of Utah. We are actively seeking bright young talent for the Republican Party. It’s not really easy to find young people well grounded in God and in Country with the educational background and talent necessary to be leaders. When I go to Utah, I can chuck a rock in any direction and hit two or three. Utah is Reagan country and essential to the future of the Republican Party. If you don’t like that, I suggest that you find another Party.
Churches are made up of flawed men who trade principle for political power.
you’re trying to tell me that public figures like Pelosi, Kerry and the Kennedys are flying under the radar while Reid and Romney are orthodox
- - - -
That is true. However, you are not taking into account the differences between the structure of the Catholic Church and Mormonism.
No one thinks the CINO’s are flying under the radar, more that the Catholic church rarely excommunicates in a formal way anymore, whereas the LDS church does.
The fact that both Reid and Romney hold valid current Temple recommends (which only a small percentage of total LDS membership have) states that by LDS standards and leadership they ARE considered “Orthodox” LDS.
Their religion was different from mine but there never was any doubt but that we bowed to the same Lord and Savior.
- - - - - -
ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THAT??? The LDS “Lord and Savior”...
...Jesus had to earn his Godhood by coming to earth, getting a body and becoming Perfect. His Godhood is his reward for living a good life.
...Jesus is a created being (a “spirit child of God and one of his wives called Heavenly Mother)
...Jesus is our “older brother”, Satan was the second “spirit child”, Jesus was first and the rest of us followed.
...Jesus is the LITERAL son of God, and that God (who has a body of flesh and bone, had sexual relations with Mary to concieve Jesus making Mary one of his wives).
...the Atonement of Christ only “kicks in” AFTER we do everything we can to make up our “mis-steps”. This includes membership in the Mormon Church (the ONLY true Church), mandatory tithe, temple attendance, church attendance and callings (some equivelant to full time jobs), 2 yr mission (if at all possible) to convert others not humanitarian, and so on (the list can go on forever).
...the Atonement took place in the Garden of Gethsemane
...Christ’s death was only necessary because he had to die so he could be resurrected, thus guaranteeing resurrection for everyone. His death becomes a footnote in their theology.
...thru temple work for the dead, we act as “saviors” for our dead ancestors who were not married, as well as other and that we will need the permission of Joseph Smith to get into Heaven.
...Christ was married, and probably a polygamist.
I can provide quotes if you would like.
Do you realize that most Lds political leaders from the 19th century into the early 20th century were Democrats? [colo]
No they weren’t. [MM]
- — - - - - -
Yes they were. Considering the Republican party was founded upon the principles of eliminating the “twin relics of barbarism - slavery and polygamy”, the LDS fought against the Rep party until the 19 - teens. There were many more LDS democrats until the 1960’s, when the LDS moved more to Republicanism.
From: http://www.allaboutmormons.com/misconceptions_mormons_politics.php
“During most of the 19th century, Utah was polarized along local rather than national party lines. Two local parties dominated the political scene: the “Mormon People’s Party” and the “Gentile Liberal Party.” When Mormons did think in terms of national politics, they were almost universally Democrat, as the Republicans opposed Utah statehood. Brigham Young was a life-long Democrat.
In order to gain the senate’s approval for statehood, Utah was required to “normalize its political allegiances.” The Church disbanded the Mormon People’s Party but feared that a mass Mormon migration to the Democratic Party would displease Republican senators. Church leaders sent Apostle John Henry Smith to visit LDS congregations. It was possible to be a faithful Mormon and a Republican, he explained to the amazement of many LDS faithful. In 1893, the Church even asked some specific families to become Republicans, a move that would be unimaginable today.
Largely because of this Church effort, Republicans and Democrats were both well-represented around the turn of the century. The Democrats had some impressive victories; in the first presidential election after Utah statehood in 1896, Democrats earned eighty percent of the presidential vote for William Jennings Bryan and elected many of their own to state, local, and national offices. Democrats also had great successes in the 1910s, in the 1930s with the rise of Franklin D. Roosevelt, and in 1964 with the Lyndon B. Johnson landslide. The Democratic stance on social issues such as caring for the poor was seamlessly compatible with LDS teachings. It was a great time to be a Mormon Democrat.
Every religion has its own exclusivity and its own doctrinal beliefs.
They also suffer their own apostates.
I am much more comfortable in a congregation of Mormons than I am in a congregation of demented old bats.
Every religion has its own exclusivity and its own doctrinal beliefs.
- - - - - -
Then if you worship the same “Christ” as the LDS, you do not worship the same Christ as Traditional (incl. Catholic) Christianity.
There are minor doctrines and there are fundamental doctrines (the ones in the Creeds). If one rejects creedal doctrines then they are a heretic.
The LDS worship a different Christ. Even their own prophet admitted that. Why can’t you?
Upon admission Utah's first three Governors were Republicans. Their first five Senators were Republican (except for a one term Democrat). Their first six reprentatives (broken by the two terms of the King/Roberts seat were Republicans.
They shifted in the 1917 wave for Wilson and during the depression. They are as reliably Republican as any conservative state.
In 1896 Bryan carried all of the mining states because of his advocacy of free coinage of silver. By 1900 Utah was solidly in the Republican camp.
Mormons are Mormons. They do not and should not make apology for that. Their God and mine are the same.
Mormons are Mormons. Their God and mine are the same.
- - - - -
I am sorry to hear that for their “god” cannot save. And if you are not LDS, then you are destined for one of their “lesser kingdoms” and cannot be exalted to godhood yourself.
President Gordon B. Hinckley, responding to a question regarding whether Latter-day Saints believe in the “traditional Christ,” stated:
“No I don’t. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak. “
Mormons are Mormons, they are not Christians.
Putting the name Jesus Christ in the name of a church no more makes them Christian then putting phrase “auto repairs” on the side of a garage makes a person an auto mechanic.
I gave you my source, care to give me yours?
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.