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Townhall.com ^ | January 10, 2010 | Paul Jacob

Posted on 01/10/2010 6:15:11 AM PST by Kaslin

Less than a year in, Americans have already lost faith in President Obama. Most had previously lost faith in congressional Democrats, and before that, congressional Republicans. In each case, the only reasonable question is: What took voters so long to face facts?

The lagtime, here, appears to depend (at minimum) on the time required to betray a pledge. That is, from the moment that candidate Obama first promised televised deliberations for the creation of a new nationalized health care system to the untelevised congressional deliberations of same. The point of putting it on C-Span was, of course, to prevent precisely the dirty backroom deals that have now insolently been stuffed into the legislation.

As president, Barack Obama can’t be bothered to keep his word — even by meekly suggesting to Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Leader Harry Reid that they allow the American people a peephole into Washington’s backroom sausage factory.

It’s funny. Or Speaker Pelosi thinks so. She laughed mockingly this week, when asked about Obama’s health care transparency pledge.

The naked truth of modern politics is that our elections are meaningless affairs in which two blow-dried phonies with the same agenda lie to us shamelessly . . . when not charging each other with greater degrees of hypocrisy, deception, and kleptomania.

If voters inevitably play the sucker, it’s no laughing matter. This truth has consequences: We cannot trust our new president or our new Congress. We could not trust our old ones. Indeed, the bankruptcy of both major parties is no secret. Republican Party Chairman Michael Steele recently called many of his own party’s leadership, especially in Congress, “part of the problem, not the solution.”

A recent NBC/Wall Street Journal poll shows that the much-maligned Tea Party movement is much more popular than either Republicans or Democrats. While there is some GOP influence in the Tea Party movement, and it’s clearly more conservative than liberal, there is a very strong non-partisan (or transpartisan) impulse in the movement.

An independent, citizen-led political movement is precisely the antidote for the professional partisan politics that is killing our golden goose. But it is critical the movement not become yet another political party.

After Perot’s massive 19 percent vote for president in 1992 as an independent, the United We Stand America organization (and the broader, fiscally responsible reform-minded movement surrounding it) played a very consequential role in overthrowing the 40-year domination of Congress by Democrats.

Of course, Republicans wasted little time in becoming as arrogant, ignorant, wasteful and crooked as Democrats had been. Not coincidentally, by 1996 United We Stand America became the Reform Party and its impact marginalized.

A new party stands little chance of overcoming all the legal hurdles the Rs and Ds have enacted, from campaign finance laws to ballot access barriers to arbitrary and capricious actions by the Federal Election Commission, which with an equal number of Republican and Democrat appointees is designed to protect the major parties from the rules they write, while harassing any outside competition.

What to do?

Join the Tea Party. Keep it independent. Look for ways to work with people across the political spectrum, as long as they believe in government of the people as opposed to government by lesser-evil politicians.

I’m not suggesting anyone compromise on principle, but rather that we not ignore the many issues where we can make common cause with those who might disagree on other matters. We have to stop being divided and conquered by the two-sided, one-result partisan noise.

As Theresa Amato, campaign manager for Ralph Nader in 2000 and 2004 and author of Grand Illusion: The Myth of Voter Choice in a Two-Party Tyranny, said recently, “You can’t make political change unless you’re willing to venture out of your own cul-de-sac.”

The thing most needful is providing voters real choices for representatives. Spanking the incumbent Democrats in 2010? Fun. Necessary. Richly deserved. But, alone, such reprisal will invariably accrue to the benefit of equally arrogant incumbent Republicans.

So, how to know whether a candidate can be taken seriously? The candidate must be in favor of more limits on politicians and on political power while favoring fewer limits on citizen participation in government.

Take three issues, to begin with:

    1. Initiative and referendum. Government of, by and for the people cannot exist if politicians monopolize all political processes and, thereby, block reform. If a candidate doesn’t think you are worthy of voting on issues, then that candidate is not worthy of your vote.
    2. Term Limits. Nothing separates politicians from the American people like the issue of term limits. If we want to end the damage that career politicians are doing to our Republic, we need term limits. We also desperately need the open seat elections created by term limits — elections where new blood and new ideas stand a better chance.
    3. Transparency. To make good decisions, citizens must have an honest and open accounting from their government. No reasonable person — right, left or anywhere in-between — disagrees. Nevertheless, politicians continue to stonewall, keeping public information from the public.

Other critical issues — like health care, global warming, corporate bailouts, property rights — remain important, and require much attention. But most important of all is that we establish a system in which citizens can get back in the game of self-government.

Our rulers cannot be trusted to act alone on our behalf.


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1 posted on 01/10/2010 6:15:12 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

No third party, but we’re sure as heck taking back our Republican party!


2 posted on 01/10/2010 6:19:44 AM PST by NoGrayZone (SARAH PALIN IS MY CUP OF TEA!)
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To: Kaslin

Suppose another party (such as the conservative or tea party) ran Palin as their candidate, and she was also the candidate on the republican ticket.

Would she get the votes tally from both?


3 posted on 01/10/2010 6:22:39 AM PST by babygene (Figures don't lie, but liars can figure...)
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To: NoGrayZone
No third party, but we’re sure as heck taking back our Republican party!

I have agreed with this premise, but am leaning more and more toward a third party.

We are all so concerned with losing the presidency by having a third party, we forget the power we can still have in Congress. A coalition would have to be formed between parties which would result in more openness and disclosure than we see now. The "ram it down your throat" process used by both current parties would disappear.

Having a very, viable third party would almost automatically create term limits.

I am not totally convinced of a third party as the best means to the end, but I am less swayed that there should not be one.
4 posted on 01/10/2010 6:31:05 AM PST by Misplaced Texan (July 4, 2009 - the first day of the 2nd Revolution!)
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To: Kaslin
1. Initiative and referendum. Government of, by and for the people cannot exist if politicians monopolize all political processes and, thereby, block reform. If a candidate doesn’t think you are worthy of voting on issues, then that candidate is not worthy of your vote.
2. Term Limits. Nothing separates politicians from the American people like the issue of term limits. If we want to end the damage that career politicians are doing to our Republic, we need term limits. We also desperately need the open seat elections created by term limits — elections where new blood and new ideas stand a better chance.
3. Transparency. To make good decisions, citizens must have an honest and open accounting from their government. No reasonable person — right, left or anywhere in-between — disagrees. Nevertheless, politicians continue to stonewall, keeping public information from the public.

Those are all good ideas - but you really need to address, convincingly, the argument that it is EXACTLY those three things that have ruined California.

5 posted on 01/10/2010 6:35:43 AM PST by Jim Noble (Hu's the communist?)
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To: Misplaced Texan

I like the sentiment, but I have not seen that much blood flowing out of the big tent at RINO headquarters. NY-23 is a good example of the RINO’s being late to the game.

What will the RINO’s do with the latest quote on dialect by Harry Reid?


6 posted on 01/10/2010 6:39:42 AM PST by pointsal
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To: Kaslin
"The thing most needful is providing voters real choices for representatives. Spanking the incumbent Democrats in 2010? Fun. Necessary. Richly deserved. But, alone, such reprisal will invariably accrue to the benefit of equally arrogant incumbent Republicans."

Amen and amen again! Until "We the people..." understand it was and is the (D,s) and (R,s) that got us here in the first place we will not get "our" Republic back!

I am not extolling the formation of another political "party". I am for American's rising up and shedding ourselves of all "party" influence!

7 posted on 01/10/2010 6:54:16 AM PST by ImpBill ("America ... where are you now?" signed, a little "r" republican!)
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To: Kaslin
A third party may not suddenly (or ever) become the majority, but as seen recently with Joe Liebermann, a sizeable and honest third party could keep the two existing corrupt parties honest by disrupting the heretofore automatice see-saw of (R) or (D).

10 Tea Party (as an example) senators is a de-facto majority by forcing the other parties to compromise back to Constitutional principles to get anything passed. And if nothing gets passed as a result, so much the better.

8 posted on 01/10/2010 6:55:16 AM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: babygene

Won’t happen. She was on Hannity a few weeks ago supporting GOP.


9 posted on 01/10/2010 6:56:53 AM PST by tunedin
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To: Misplaced Texan

I hear what you’re saying, but I don’t think it’s time yet for a 3rd party.

Take a look at Hoffmans run. Yes, he was the only Republican running in that race and came damn close, but damn close doesn’t equal a win.

Now if the pube’s in charge would have ran Hoffman instead of scuzzie, Hoffman would be in office as we speak.


10 posted on 01/10/2010 6:57:39 AM PST by NoGrayZone (SARAH PALIN IS MY CUP OF TEA!)
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To: NoGrayZone
"No third party, but we’re sure as heck taking back our Republican party!"

Exactly! If the Marxists can take over the D-party, then conservatives can re-take the R-party.

11 posted on 01/10/2010 7:06:35 AM PST by ArchAngel1983 (Arch Angel- on guard)
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To: ArchAngel1983
Exactly! If the Marxists can take over the D-party, then conservatives can re-take the R-party.

I think the biggest problem is leadership, or lack of leadership which creates a void. We tend to think of the President as the leader of the country, but why?

Obviously Obama is not a leader. Bush didn't inspire people to follow him, nor has anyone since Reagan. Reagan was a leader. The rest have gained the office, not by virtue of being a leader, but rather by succession, rejection or "the lesser of two evils".

I considered Newt a leader for a few years in the 90's, but he has jumped the shark. Steele is useless. Boehner and McConnell couldn't lead their way out of a wet paper bag.

Who will be the phoenix?

That person also does not have to be president. In fact, it could be more advantageous to be the leader without worrying about the trappings of the presidency.

Will there be one leader, or will it be a collectivist leader within a movement, like the Tea Party, or will that movement dissolve without a standard bearer?
12 posted on 01/10/2010 7:18:54 AM PST by Misplaced Texan (July 4, 2009 - the first day of the 2nd Revolution!)
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To: NoGrayZone
"No third party, but we’re sure as heck taking back our Republican party!"

Forget taking back the Republican party. Why not take back your State government? After all, under the Constitution, the power to control the Federal government resides in the "several States" not the Republican party.

Don't be a stooge for a Newt Gingrich or a John McCain. Do something useful. Do something that the Founders would understand. Organize to vote in a Governor and a State legislature who will not act as supplicants to their Washington overseers but rather elect those who will fight to end their predations.

13 posted on 01/10/2010 7:24:01 AM PST by trek
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To: Kaslin

I think the Tea Partiers need some sort of mechanism to keep the GOP from ever getting it’s fingers in our pie, not without losing a few digits. We are already essentially a third party, we are simply committed impacting GOP elections and getting conservatives elected.


14 posted on 01/10/2010 7:43:40 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: trek
"Don't be a stooge for a Newt Gingrich or a John McCain. Do something useful."

Who the hell is a stooge? Taking back my party isn't something useful?

15 posted on 01/10/2010 7:46:12 AM PST by NoGrayZone (SARAH PALIN IS MY CUP OF TEA!)
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To: trek
"Organize to vote in a Governor and a State legislature who will not act as supplicants to their Washington overseers but rather elect those who will fight to end their predations."

And what will you run them under? Independent?

16 posted on 01/10/2010 7:49:34 AM PST by NoGrayZone (SARAH PALIN IS MY CUP OF TEA!)
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To: NoGrayZone
"Taking back my party isn't something useful? "

Okay, fair enough. "Taking back the Republican party" might be a potentially useful thing to do depending on what you mean by this. But simply returning to power the Republican party as it exists to day is a diversion from our problems not a solution to them.

17 posted on 01/10/2010 7:51:41 AM PST by trek
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To: trek

That’s not what I meant. I mean taking over, or re-taking the party back from the lib-lites.

We need to run “tea party” candidates under the Republican party.


18 posted on 01/10/2010 7:56:12 AM PST by NoGrayZone (SARAH PALIN IS MY CUP OF TEA!)
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To: NoGrayZone
"And what will you run them under? Independent? "

Personally, I don't care what party label they would run under and neither should you.

Look, I believe you are someone who sincerely believes in the Constitution. Is there anything in the Constitution about political parties? Nope. In fact, the Founders in their other writings warned us about political parties (or "factions" as they called them). They believed, correctly, that political parties would always put their own interests ahead of the nation's interests. Smart folks those Founders.

19 posted on 01/10/2010 7:56:45 AM PST by trek
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To: Misplaced Texan

Still against a third party here, because I believe if we rid the Republican Party of the Leftist, RINO influence we rid the Party of “The “ram it down your throat” process used by both current parties...”

I agree the emphasis of winning the Executive is overly hyped as winning the Congress is winning control of the purse strings, and that controls the country more than the Executive.

We need the Executive more now than ever before, but under the circumstances we have to counter the Executive to hold our Nation together until we can get a qualified Executive in place.

IMO a Third Party is precisely what the Democrats are trying to trick us into by excercising influence via RINOCITY in the Republican Party similarly to what they did to the Democrat Party. It’s the Socialist Democrat Party today, NOT the Democrat Party of yore.


20 posted on 01/10/2010 8:13:40 AM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...Call 'em What you Will, They ALL have Fairies Living In Their Trees.)
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