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Controlling When You Relieve Your Yourself, Not Body Scan, Invades Privacy (Idiots Alert)
Townhall ^ | 1/05/2010 | Dennis Prager

Posted on 01/04/2010 11:55:52 PM PST by goldstategop

If the government prohibits airline passengers from getting out of their seats during the last hour of a flight, I hereby announce that I will get out of my seat either to escort someone who needs to use the lavatory or because I do. I understand that I may be arrested, but I am willing to make this a cause celebre.

Aside from a genetic incapacity to be directed by irrationality, I will make this protest on behalf of fellow passengers who are in pain because of this idiotic rule. What are diabetics, for example, supposed to do? And considering the fact that "the last hour of a flight" is always more than an hour, often considerably more -- given the frequent delays in approaching airports and given the approximately 15-20 minutes between landing and passengers actually disembarking.

I am not prepared to obey rules that hurt the innocent while doing nothing to prevent terrorism.

When exactly will airline passengers be permitted to relieve themselves? Seatbelt signs are now illuminated meaning passengers are not allowed out of their seats -- for at least the half hour it takes to leave the gate and achieve optimum altitude. And on many planes, those signs are (often pointlessly) illuminated for much of the flight after that as well.

Therefore, if passengers are not allowed to get up during the last hour, that would mean that on a two-hour flight, passengers would be fortunate to have a total of 20 minutes when they could stand to stretch, get a book or go to the lavatory.

Furthermore, since passengers are also not allowed to "congregate" outside the lavatories, passengers will actually have to compete with one another in order to get to the bathroom. The slower ones, or the ones seated furthest from the lavatories, may not have any chance to go to the bathroom in a two-hour or longer flight.

These useless, dignity-robbing, rules could have been averted if available technologies and a more intelligent approach to catching terrorists had been adopted.

One such technology is full-body scanning.

According to Robert Poole, adviser to the White House and Congress on airport security following 9-11, the explosives "which the terrorist concealed in his underwear would have been detected had he been required to pass through one of the 15 millimeter-wave body-scanners now in use at Schiphol (Amsterdam Airport)."

And Charlotte Bryan, a former top TSA and FAA official, told CNN that a body scanner could have stopped Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, terror suspect on Northwest 253.

The major objection to the scanner comes from the ACLU and from libertarians on "privacy" grounds. This objection led the House of Representatives to ban full body scans. That the ban was led by a Republican, Utah Congressman Jason Chaffetz, who continues to defend his opposition to body scanning, only shows that the left has no monopoly on foolishness.

But it was House Democrats who overwhelmingly voted to ban body scans. Only a fifth of the Democrats in the House voted against the ban while two-thirds of the Republicans voted against it.

The ACLU, which can almost always be depended on to say something foolish and advocate a position that harms society, calls the process "virtual strip search." And Chaffetz declared, "I just think it's too invasive. Nobody needs to see my kids -- I have a son and two daughters -- and see my wife naked in order to secure an airplane!"

So, the leftist and libertarian opposition centered on the issue of privacy. And the conservative opposition -- to conservatives' credit, the smallest of the opposing groups -- centered on "nudity."

It is difficult to say which one is more idiotic. Both illustrate what happens when dogma supersedes common sense.

What privacy are we even talking about? I cherish my privacy, but anyone who actually looks at the scans made by the whole body scanner cannot seriously talk of either privacy or nudity. They are indeed "virtual" images, meaning no skin is shown and the human figure looks metallic.

The ACLU and Rep. Chaffetz have read too many Superman comics -- they imagine the superhero's "X-ray vision." But that is not possible. There is no skin shown. So how can there be "nudity"?

I willingly relinquish whatever "privacy" I lose by being scanned for the even more precious value of staying alive.

Those who think that TSA employees will be leering at naked bodies have a little too much sex on their minds. Same-sex TSA employees will be looking at metallic-like images of thousands of bodies that pass through airport security. Look on the Internet at those images and then tell me that they are "nude." A necrophiliac would be bored.

As a conservative, I am embarrassed by people who put thousands of lives in danger under the guise of protecting their wives and daughters from appearing "naked."

So until my government does something intelligent -- like screening for dangerous people, not dangerous weapons (as Israel so successfully does) -- to protect this frequent flyer, I will not play the pretend game of "do something" that prohibits me from relieving myself on the grounds that terrorists only blow up planes after going to the bathroom during the last hour of a flight.

I will surrender a lot of things to stay alive. But I will not surrender my intelligence. That and being told when to urinate are the real losses of dignity, not a full body scan.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aclu; aviationsecurity; dennisprager; dignity; idiots; intelligence; libertarianism; nudiecam; privacy; terrorism; townhall; tsa; waronterror; wot
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To: Carling
I hate to say it, but I may wind up being arrested if I fly because of this ruling. I have Crohns disease, and if I have to fly, I'm careful NOT to eat or drink anything at least 12 hours before I fly (except for my medications). Still, there are times when even that's not enough. As with any sort of inflammatory bowel disease, if you have to go, you have to go NOW! And sometimes it just sneaks up on you, with no advance knowledge. I once had to get up and walk out on Keith Code at the California Superbike School as he was giving final track guidelines, which was quite embarrassing. But the worst was being in the lavatory on a Southwest Airlines flight DURING the final approach and landing. Not a comfortable situation, and I got quite a tongue lashing from the flight attendant.

Mark

21 posted on 01/05/2010 5:27:04 AM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: rawcatslyentist
Would it be easier, less inconvenient, to just bow to is-SLIME, and they will do away with all the screening.

No, when they're not slaughtering infidels, they're perfectly happy slaughtering each other. The lie the Ft Hood murderer told about how he couldn't kill muslims was a lie. Muslims kill each other all the time.

Mark

22 posted on 01/05/2010 5:29:39 AM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: Right Wing Assault
Do people ever complain to their doctors about the invasion of privacy when they examine various parts of their body usually covered by clothing and underwear? No?

YES, I complain, at least about the most invasive parts of it! A rigid sigmoidoscopy or prostate exam! You bet I complain about it! But I do it. But I'm pretty grumpy the rest of the day.

Mark

23 posted on 01/05/2010 5:32:16 AM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: AppyPappy
I’m more worried about female agents fainting when I go through.

I'm more afraid of them hurting themselves, from falling over from laughing so hard when I go through.

Mark

24 posted on 01/05/2010 5:36:21 AM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: MarkL
Why do Muslims have to fly to infidel lands?

Q'uran tells us that it is to convert, or subdue the infidel, to establish Sharia, to collect dhimmi, and to kill those infidels who fail to convert or cooperate. There is no geographic limit on jihad.

25 posted on 01/05/2010 7:33:34 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (Jimmy Carter! Now, available in color!)
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To: AppyPappy

Hear you brother. I HAVE BEEN through ariports with these devices and always feel sorry for causing so many head injuries.

And the comments; “You;ll have to check that”, “only one carryon”, and “will that fit in an overhead”; it is embarrassing.

The Muslims are controlling our society and treasury with little effort all whilst the US has thousands of miles of open border to anyone willing to walking over it.


26 posted on 01/05/2010 8:10:02 AM PST by School of Rational Thought (Most interesting man in the world.)
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To: goldstategop
I guess we all owe it to ourselves and our fellow Americans to wear diapers when flying.

That way there will be no need to get up at any time during the flight.

Maybe we should all fly naked ... except for the diaper ... and be handcuffed to our seats.

27 posted on 01/05/2010 9:46:15 AM PST by who_would_fardels_bear (These fragments I have shored against my ruins)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

RE: “I guess we all owe it to ourselves and our fellow Americans to wear diapers when flying.
That way there will be no need to get up at any time during the flight.

Maybe we should all fly naked ... except for the diaper ... and be handcuffed to our seats”

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Happily, I have no need to fly anymore. Vacations will be restricted to those places to which I can drive, take a train or sail — for those who claim business reasons, teleconferencing should take care of a lot of it. Skip the conventions.

Unfortunately people quitting flying will cost airlines, hotels, restaurants, et al, dearly. But it may take this to drive home the need to do what works best — PROFILE.


28 posted on 01/05/2010 9:58:04 AM PST by CaliforniaCon
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To: MarkL
You bet I complain about it!

Oh yeah.. how could I forget those?

29 posted on 01/05/2010 10:00:45 AM PST by Right Wing Assault (The Obama magic is fading.)
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To: goldstategop

All it’s going to take to revise the no bathroom rule is for a couple of passengers to crap in their pants.


30 posted on 01/05/2010 10:01:43 AM PST by Rebelbase
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To: Kenny Bunk

I’m not sure what this has do with my post (24)

Mark


31 posted on 01/05/2010 11:10:11 AM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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