Posted on 01/01/2010 3:59:14 PM PST by Steelfish
Woman Defies Order To Give Child To Ex-Partner Parental abduction charges possible after she and daughter vanish
Lisa Miller [Pic in URL] and her 7-year-old daughter are missing after failing to show up at the home of Miller's ex-partner as part of a court-ordered custody agreement. A woman at the center of a complex dispute with her former lesbian partner defied a court order to give up custody of her 7-year-old daughter Friday, and police said she could face parental abduction charges.
A Vermont judge had ordered Lisa Miller to turn over daughter Isabella to Janet Jenkins at 1 p.m. Friday at the Falls Church, Va., home of Jenkins' parents. Miller did not show up with the girl, according to Fairfax County, Va., police and Jenkins' Vermont-based attorney.
"She's very disappointed, obviously," said Sarah Star, Jenkins' lawyer. "She's very concerned about Isabella and asks that if anybody sees Isabella, that they please contact the authorities."
The Jenkins family called police after Miller failed to show, and a detective from the department's child exploitation unit is investigating, said Officer Tawny Wright, a Fairfax County police spokeswoman.
If police believe a crime has been committed, they will obtain a criminal warrant charging Miller with parental abduction, and at that point officers would begin searching aggressively for the child, Wright said. For the time being, she said, the case remains a civil matter.
Miller and Jenkins were joined in a Vermont civil union in 2000. Isabella was born to Miller through artificial insemination in 2002. The couple broke up in 2003, and Miller moved to Virginia, renounced homosexuality and became an evangelical Christian.
When Vermont Family Court Judge William Cohen dissolved the couple's civil union, he awarded custody to Miller but granted liberal visitation rights to Jenkins.
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Exactly. Now that the shoe is on the other foot and this woman and her child are victim’s of a bad law, people here want the judge to create laws from thin air from the bench. I don’t want judicial activism from our side or from theirs. Judges uphold the law, period. Blame the legislators for allowing homosexual marriage, not the judge for simply following the law.
Many here are letting their emotions fry their brain cells. Or I suppose we can just go with complete lawlessness and I will cut up my vehicle license since that is a bad law as well. I will quit paying half my taxes, since half of it goes to unconstitutional purposes.
I would represent her pro se if I could get a pro hac vice status in that state. They need to drag that judge into the streets and buggy whip him. He is a POS.
Who is to say what laws are foolish? You? The laws are what they are whether or not you like them. We can elect legislators who pass righteous laws or not. When fools vote to elect foolish politicians, we get foolish laws. The only backstop we have on the law is the Constitution. Beyond that, you don’t get to decide which laws you want to follow and which you don’t. That is the hardship of living in a democracy. The idiotic majority often enslave or burden a wiser minority who is now bound by their idiocy.
I hate it myself. Everything Obama is doing is foolish. The only power we have is to unelect these idiots and elect righteous men. We don’t get to cherry pic, which laws we want to follow.
There are many places on earth where it would be impossible to extradite Lisa Miller from.
An unjust law is no law at all.
The law of nature dictated by God himself, is of course superior in obligation to any other. It is binding over all the globe, in all countries, and at all times: no human laws are of any validity if contrary to this....
So molestation plays no factor in custody? The judge should never have even heard the appeal.
Who said it:
"I write specially to state that the homosexual conduct of a parent ... creates a strong presumption of unfitness that alone is sufficient justification for denying that parent custody of his or her own children or prohibiting the adoption of the children of others."
"Homosexual conduct is, and has been, considered abhorrent, immoral, detestable, a crime against nature, and a violation of the laws of nature and of nature's God upon which this Nation and our laws are predicated. Such conduct violates both the criminal and civil laws of this State and is destructive to a basic building block of society—the family. The law of Alabama is not only clear in its condemning such conduct, but the courts of this State have consistently held that exposing a child to such behavior has a destructive and seriously detrimental effect on the children. It is an inherent evil against which children must be protected."
Wrong. Civil Disobedience is sometimes a DUTY. Whether you like it or not, or whether you personally choose to engage in it or not, Civil Disobedience of human laws which violate the law of God is an outright Command.
We ought to obey God rather than men.
I guess if Tomorrow a legislature passes a law that requires you to turn in all of your firearms, you are going to do so? Right? Or will you rethink your stance on Civil Disobedience?
Who is to say what laws are foolish? You? The laws are what they are whether or not you like them.... We don’t get to cherry pic, which laws we want to follow.
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Okay, YOU obey laws that are contrary to Scripture. It is my conviction that if a law is unjust, it is morally permissible to disobey that law. It may not be imperative, but it is permissible. And yes, there are consequences — the law may then punish someone for their disobedience. That goes with the territory.
Examples? Peter and John did this very thing in Acts. And MANY Christian Missionaries do it every day by preaching the Gospel in foreign lands that are “closed” to religious freedoms and liberties. And if you want some history, how about the “underground railroad” that helped fugitive slaves escape from their captivity? Slavery was the “law of the land,” and even free states were enjoined to respect that law — but many didn’t. Was that wrong? Or how about the many Germans (like Schindler and Corrie Ten Boom) who harbored and aided Jews to escape the Nazi’s? The “Final Solution” was “the law of the land” too — were they wrong?
I’m not suggesting that defying an unjust law is something EVERY believer is OBLIGATED to do. I AM saying that if a Christian in good conscience and by conviction cannot follow such an unjust law, then they MAY ignore, defy or resist it. I think the Bible and History will back me on this point...
So, here’s the important question — hypothetically, if I were to have aided this woman to take her daughter and escape this country to keep her from jail and the little girl from a deviant, dysfunctional pseudofamily, would you turn me in?
I’d like to know — one day I may need to know what “brother” or “sister” I can trust.
With the way our government is disregarding our Constitution and trampling on our liberties, at all levels and in all branches of government, I’m ready for some full on civil disobedience. Maybe it’s not the right time yet, but it soon will be. Now is the time to prepare.
>> The lack of respect for basic law from some conservatives is a bit appalling <<
When the civil law violates the natural law, then civil disobedience is justified. If Martin Luther King and Mahatma Gandhi can do it, then so can conservatives.
No, I would not turn in my guns if I was required to by law, well, assuming I owned any guns...
You’ve convinced me.
>> The judge’s hands are completely tied by the law <<
Do you know that for a fact? Are you an expert in Vermont family law? Do the Vermont statutes allow a judge in family court to hear cases in equity instead of in law?
I have seen no real evidence that there was molestation. I read an article where the mother said the daughter had taken a bath with the woman. The Virginia CPS evaluated the claims of abuse and found no evidence.
If there is other reports than the statements of the mother in interviews, I’d be interested. But outside of the discussions here and interviews with the mother, there seems to be no discussion of molestation or particular issues with the child.
Of course, whenever there are custody issues, these types of charges come up.
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More discussion including a lot of legalese nonsense about the mother, the ex-homosexual partner, and the hijacked justice system. Lots of talk about following laws. It was also the law, during some years in Germany, to force citizens to reveal any Jews, and illegal to hide or succor them. Same thing in this country, with escaped slaves. Not all laws should be followed. If they are egregiously evil, they should not be obeyed.
Natural law is already stretched in this case, given that the father of the child is a turkey baster.
It is best when a child is with biological parents. In this case, the child has no chance of being with her father, who was anonymous.
It certainly wasn’t best for the child to be brought into the world in a gay relationship, but that’s what the mother did to the daughter, and two women were mothers to the child for several years before the relationship ended.
The mother is single, so the child has no father-figure no matter which woman she is with.
Civil Disobedience as practiced by King and Gandhi involved breaking laws that were unjust openly and accepting the punishment for breaking those laws.
If the woman was sitting in her home, defying the order and saying that if they wanted the other woman to see her child, they would have to send police to take the child, that would be “Civil Disobedience”.
You mean like messy divorces and child custody battles?
Well anyway, I just had to look up the pictures of the parties involved. Apologies in advance if you would rather I not have posted the pics...
Janet Jenkins and Lisa Miller in happier times.
Lisa Miller (41) and Janet Jenkins (45) more recently.
Read my entire post......
Praise God she came to her senses!
You mean like messy divorces and child custody battles?
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