Posted on 12/29/2009 10:40:34 AM PST by Steelfish
Vt. Judge: Birth Mom Must Give Child To Ex-Partner
By WILSON RING Associated Press Writer Dec. 29, 2009
MONTPELIER, Vt. -- The birth mother of a 7-year-old Virginia girl must transfer custody of the child to the woman's former lesbian partner, a Vermont judge has ruled.
Vermont Family Court Judge William Cohen ordered Lisa Miller of Winchester, Va., to turn over daughter Isabella to Janet Jenkins of Fair Haven at 1 p.m. Friday at the Virginia home of Jenkins' parents.
Miller and Jenkins were joined in a Vermont civil union in 2000. Isabella was born to Miller through artificial insemination in 2002. The couple broke up in 2003, and Miller moved to Virginia, renounced homosexuality and became an evangelical Christian.
In the Dec. 22 order denying Miller's request to delay the transfer of Isabella, Cohen wrote: "It appears that Ms. Miller has ceased contact with her attorneys and disappeared with the minor child."
Liberty Counsel attorneys who have represented Miller in the past did not immediately respond to telephone messages left Tuesday by The Associated Press.
A listing for Lisa Miller in Winchester, Va., says the phone line has been temporarily disconnected at the customer's request.
(Excerpt) Read more at sacbee.com ...
Indeed, lj, indeed. I was reading this thread earlier and was thinking I’d put this woman and child up at our place to keep the child from any further trauma. It is indeed getting bad out there and it’s past time to draw a line in the sand.
Tell you what... if the FBI was looking for conservatives and for some reason you qualified, I'd hide your sorry ass as well.
Even if "paternity" isn't assumed in this case, it's likely Jenkins adopted the child, which would make her legal position the same as any other stepparent adoption.
She may have a chance if she moves where a state where such civil unions aren’t recognized, Virginia seems willing to recognize Vermont law. Other states may not be so cooperative.
The civil union is already dissolved. I don't think Miller is likely to find a state that's willing to abrogate a child custody order from another state in favor of the biological mother; that would have implications for every custody case involving an adoptive parent.
I never said the Constitution forbade non-Christians to have visitation rights with their offspring, of which Jenkins is not the parent and had no wish to adopt the child. But only after Miller became a born again Christian, did she file for visitation rights even though the baby girl was born in Virginia and has lived in Virginia since her birth.
Why were sexual abuse charges not filed against the lesbian Jenkins? You gotta be kidding me right??? You honestly don't acknowledge that the most powerful, politically correct lobby in the U.S. is the homosexual/lesbian agenda???
ESPECIALLY IN LIBERAL SOCIALIST STATES like Vermont that have long since been vacant of judicial rulings to protect the innocent & punish the evil doers. I believe this is true across much of our corrupted judicial system today. Even Bill O'Reilly has gone after liberal activist judges in Vermont who routinely dismiss or greatly reduce charges against child molesters & predators. In this case, because the predator is also a rabid lesbian, anti-Christian hater & and most courts today actively pursue a pro-homo/pro-lesbian agenda, the Judge Cohen simply dismissed any allegations of child abuse when told about the lesbian Jenkins ordering the girl to bathe naked with her. His agenda is to promote a pro-lesbian/pro-homo agenda, irregardless of the damage to a 7 yr old girl.
Did the Lesbian partner adopt the child? No she never did and stated at various times that she did not want to
This is not just a custody battle. This is another battle to force the homosexual/lesbian agenda upon us, and the best interests of a 7 yr old girl are simply ignored & dismissed by a corrupt pro-homo/pro-lesbian judge in Vermont and acquiescing judges in Virginia, and are now being appealed once again (not a snowballs chance in hell I am afraid).
If Ms Miller wants to raise & keep her daughter, she better go into hiding and stay in hiding for the next 10-11 years. I would never allow a godless, secular, pro homo/lesbian arrogant judge or the gubmint to take my child or children without fighting for their lives & protection with everything I have. And if that doesn't work, then I would go underground as well. What would YOU do to protect your daughter in a similar situation??? Would you stand by while the state forcibly took your kids and placed them in a sexual predator homosexual or lesbian's custody???
Every comment you make on this or other threads about this situation, you are constantly agitating against Ms Miller and in favor of turning over a 7 year old girl to a rabid, hate-filled, anti-Christian spiteful lesbian. And then you claim not to have it in for Ms Miller. Whose side are you actually on? Who do you want to win this battle? I would say from the overall gist of your comments here and on other postings (which I have seen others accuse you of agitating on behalf of the lesbian) it seems you really want the girl to be forced by some two bit rogue judge, to have her custody rights go to a depraved spiteful lesbian in Vermont as opposed to her biological, now heterosexual mother in Virginia? Right? If not, then what do you think should be taken to protect the 7 year old girl? And what do you think Ms Miller's best options should be to protect her daughter from a hostile, spiteful lesbian predator?
Appeals court asked to keep mom, daughter together
Fighting out-of-state order to give 7-year-old to lesbian
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=118599
Like it or not, we need to take the lesbian issue out of the equation since Ms. Miller did voluntarily enter into a Civil Union in Vermont with Jenkins making their Civil Union equal to marriage in the eyes of the court.
Therefore, Ms. Jenkins, under the law, has the same parental rights to this child as a man whose wife underwent IVF using an anonymous donor's sperm. The child is obviously not his, but the fact of their marriage and the fact that he acted as a father to that child grants him parental rights.
That being the case, I am afraid that once Ms. Miller is charged with contempt or obstruction, she will have little chance or gaining full custody of the child.
And if Ms. Miller takes the child overseas or out of state without consent of the court, she is likely to face a kidnapping charge.
My entire point is that Ms. Miller needs to comply with the court order.
Um, this thread is based on an article from the Sacramento Bee.
I never said the Constitution forbade non-Christians to have visitation rights with their offspring, of which Jenkins is not the parent and had no wish to adopt the child. But only after Miller became a born again Christian, did she file for visitation rights even though the baby girl was born in Virginia and has lived in Virginia since her birth.
Like it or not, we need to take the lesbian issue out of the equation since Ms. Miller did voluntarily enter into a Civil Union in Vermont with Jenkins making their Civil Union equal to marriage in the eyes of the court.
Therefore, Ms. Jenkins, under the law, has the same parental rights to this child as a man whose wife underwent IVF using an anonymous donor's sperm. The child is obviously not his, but the fact of their marriage and the fact that he acted as a father to that child grants him parental rights.
As for the sexual abuse, I do not think our society is ready to deny parental rights to anyone and everyone who has ever taken a bath with their two or three year old child.
And I am not taking anyone's side on this case, but I fear that if Ms. Miller continues to defy court orders, that she will lose custody of the girl.
BTW-My wife is an attorney who usually focuses on criminal defense and personal injury. However, much of her pro bono work has been representing children in abuse and custody cases.
Of all the legal work she has done, rape cases, murder cases, horrific accidents etc, it is that pro bono work representing children that takes the greatest toll on her emotions and gives her the most stress.
And if you believe that bathing with your three year old child is sexual abuse, I can give examples of sexual abuse committed by heterosexual men and women that would make you sick.
And if the court ordered conservatives to comply with court orders, I'd help where I could, just as some helped to hide the Jews. I see children as our most precious resource and believe we need to protect them at all costs. Some who identify as conservatives have drawn a line in the sand and we're waiting for others to do the same.
There are times when grave and difficult decisions must be determined...all to often after the fact of a bad decisions in the first place. But as a parent I would indeed run away and hide my child IF all that’s been stated has indeed been true. Whatever it takes to protect my child...even with the risk of being found and not seeing my child again.
What other avenues could Miller have taken to keep the child from further abuse? I’d be interested to know since the court would not hear in the first place. Did she have any other choice without risking further harm to her child?
>>Even if “paternity” isn’t assumed in this case, it’s likely Jenkins adopted the child, which would make her legal position the same as any other stepparent adoption.<<
She did not adopt the child.
http://protectisabella.com/mythsandfacts.php
Bathing with a 2-3 yr old is one thing, but quite unnecessary IMO. On the other hand, forcing a 7 yr old girl to continue to bathe naked with a lesbian, forcing her to be present when you have other lesbian "guests" over, constantly disparaging the girl's Christian faith & her mother's faith, is quite another. I think forcing a 7 yr old to bathe with you is sexual abuse and I would be willing to bet there is touching & fondling involved as well. A grown lesbian lady in bathtub with a 7 yr old girl is totally inappropriate & sexually abusive behavior. How many more years would she be forced to bathe naked with the lesbian Janet Jenkins??? What if Janet Jenkins would decide to commit the child to forced psychological counseling to force the girl to renounce her Christian faith and her own Christian biological mother?
You know doggone good & well that if the situation was reversed, that if a non-biological parent herterosexual male or female was trying to get custody of a former partner(homosexual or lesbian) biological child, and the heterosexual individual had some allegations of sexual misconduct or abuse, the family court judge would NEVER in a million years offend the the lesbian or homo partner OR agenda by taking custody away and giving it to the non-biological heterosexual former partner. That would be considered an outrage & a travesty by the lesbian/homo community and that judge would NEVER do it.
And you never answered the question.... what do you think Lisa Miller should do? Simply hand over her biological child to an avowed lesbian who now hates & despises Lisa Miller and is using this to hurt & destroy Lisa Miller as well as her child? You would hand over your child to be raised by a lesbian or homosexual 6-700 miles away, if ordered by a homo/lesbian biased Vermont judge? You're so opinionated on having Lisa Millar follow orders to hand over her child in this complete travesty, and the SCOTUS has already ruled that they won't hear the case. But you think that state has the right to take her child away and she should just knuckle under and live with that decision? That is what you would do??? Answer these questions.
No can do. The fact is that a lesbian who is not the birth mother has NO relationship to teh child. She is an unrelated stranger living in the same house. Handing the child over to her would be exactly the same as handing a child over to someone who just happened to rent a room from the parent.
The lesbianism not only certifies that there is no relationship (biology doesn't lie) but also determines that the sexual pervert is not a fit gaurdian of children in the first place.
Therefore, Ms. Jenkins, under the law, has the same parental rights to this child as a man whose wife underwent IVF using an anonymous donor's sperm. The child is obviously not his, but the fact of their marriage and the fact that he acted as a father to that child grants him parental rights.
The lesbina was not legally married to the mother. Two women, or two men cannot be legally married in Virginia. This case is one reason why we need a Defense of Marriage Ammendment.
As for the sexual abuse, I do not think our society is ready to deny parental rights to anyone and everyone who has ever taken a bath with their two or three year old child.
Any exposure of children to homosexual behavior is child abuse. We know that no furthur abuse will happen with the mother. We know that the child will be horribly abused with the lesbian. Homosexuals do not reproduce, they recuit.
And if you believe that bathing with your three year old child is sexual abuse, I can give examples of sexual abuse committed by heterosexual men and women that would make you sick.
Irrelevant. Comparing the abberations (molesters) from normal heterosexual behavior to the norm of homosexual behavior is not a valid comparison.
Since it is apparent that both you and Joe Farah believe that pterodactyls are alive and well on earth, the only thing one of you needs to do is to prove the there are pterodactyls are in fact still alive.
Being that pterodactyls have a wingspan of more than 40 feet, I would think that proving that they are still flying over our heads would be very easy to prove.
I will be waiting for you and Mr. Farah to prove your assertion that pterodactyls are still alive.
And you never answered the question.... what do you think Lisa Miller should do?
I think Ms. Miller needs to comply with the orders of the supreme courts of Vermont and Virginia. Otherwise, there will be an arrest warrant issued for Ms. Miller and she is unlikely to win custody of visitation from a jail cell.
agree
it seems some of the homo friendly crowd might think they know a homo or two and think they’re very nice folk but what they don’t understand is that the homo’s want them to think that but why don’t they go and see the homos really act and see them at their freak parades.
I’ve even heard crap of “I’m a conservative but have no problems with homosexuals and their agenda”
WTH
a conservative platform is normal traditional marriage and family not a couple of queers in bed together and then have little johnny come in and see them saying daddies
liberal women always seem to be angry and really ugly
And the advice you would give to Lisa Miller to submit to an unlawful & immoral court order and give up her biological daughter to some rogue judicial ruling is beyond comprehension. Is that what you would do??? You would turn your children over to the state or someone else's custody because some rogue two-bit judge told you to???
The judicial system is corrupted beyond measure in our country, and it is time for American Revolution II to throw these judicial rogue thugs in their own prisons. You know this would never have been the ruling from either state if the situation was reversed as I described in my prior. My advice to Ms Miller is to go into hiding and never voluntarily submit to this immoral court order. She will never get custody of her own biological child with the politically correct pro-homo/pro-lesbian bias of the American court system today. I would rather fight & die, rather than to meekly kneel down & submit to some immoral, rogue judge.
A few generations ago it was against the law to aid escaping slaves and help them to freedom. I can imagine the same kinds of arguments from pro-slavery people as are on this thread.
Yes, the American people are mad and are likely to get madder. Liberalism is appealing to those wanting government programs and permissive life-styles.
VA’s vote for Webb, Obama, and the two Warners showed how far that state has declined since the days of the old mostly non-corrupt Byrd organization. McDonnell won’t get much done with that mindset.
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