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Jihad 101
Center for Security Policy ^ | 28 Dec 09 | Frank J. Gaffney, Jr.

Posted on 12/28/2009 12:37:58 PM PST by LSUfan

Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano came in for some well-deserved criticism for declaring over the weekend that "the system worked" with respect to Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab's effort to blow up the plane he was flying from Amsterdam to Detroit. By Monday, she was backpedalling, acknowledging that "our system did not work in this instance."

In truth, for a lot of Americans, Ms. Napolitano has not had much credibility since she tried to ban "terrorism" from the official lexicon of her department. But arguably the most serious indication that she is wholly ill-equipped to carry out her present responsibilities can be found in another - as yet uncorrected - statement she made on Sunday. She told CNN's "State of the Union" that, "Right now, we have no indication [that Abdulmutallab's actions were] part of anything larger."

Not "part of anything larger"? Is she serious? Does she take us for fools?

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: abdulmutallab; democrat; democrats; dhs; flight253; frankgaffney; gaffney; homelandsecurity; impeachobama; islam; jihad; napolitano; nowot; obama

1 posted on 12/28/2009 12:38:01 PM PST by LSUfan
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To: LSUfan

What she thinks is irrelevant as she is evidently, demonstrably, a fool.

Whew, got through that without cursing, Thank God.


2 posted on 12/28/2009 12:40:55 PM PST by the anti-mahdi
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To: LSUfan

Obama’s “Mission Accomplished”

(of course. ignoring the fact that Bush never actually said that)


3 posted on 12/28/2009 12:48:28 PM PST by CrappieLuck
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To: LSUfan

The traveling customers have to be inconvienienced once again, by shaking down grandma in a wheelchair because they refuse to use RACIAL PROFILING. I have an Idea! set up a buffet at the security points and everyone is required to eat some pork, those who don’t are muslim and must be directed to the real search line.


4 posted on 12/28/2009 12:51:55 PM PST by ronnie raygun (Leaders who refuse to lead will be lead by the people)
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To: LSUfan
Mark Steyn filling in for Rush this morning called her "Homeland Secretary Incompolitano".

Perfect!!!

5 posted on 12/28/2009 2:01:19 PM PST by HardStarboard ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule - Mencken knew Obama)
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To: LSUfan

Unless you are honest about what causes a problem - any problem - you will never succeed in solving the problem. Political correctness prevents almost all in power, and certainly the mainstream media, from admitting the problem. As Newt Gingrich said Sunday, one thing all of the recent terrorist have in common is none of them are Rotarians, but that’s not the problem. The problem is they are all extremist Muslims. If you don’t admit it and start from there, you are just wasting time.


6 posted on 12/28/2009 2:30:15 PM PST by jgpatl (What was right is now wrong. What was wrong is now right.)
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To: ronnie raygun
That wouldn't really work. Lots of Jews don't eat pork and the suicide types get special exemption before their “mission”. Remember that the 911 asshats were boozing it up at titty bars and probably hit a rib place, too.
7 posted on 12/28/2009 2:44:52 PM PST by JPG (Al Gore, the several million degree man.)
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To: LSUfan
Gibney is good.

Having said that...Not to mention....re: those elite, (primarily Ivy-League) American asshats which claim to be "journalists" from the major news outlets and their behavior on 25 December 2009. They have lost all professional credibility in my book.

This was a MAJOR national security breach and an attack (even if failed in part) upon the United States of America, on the day we celebrate Jesus' birth, and directed right out of Yemen, perhaps even by some freed from Gitmo.

And they are asleep at the wheel, either through incompetence or political correct design.

Hey guys, SURPRISE! Wake up and smell the Nigerian coffee, you dingbats!


8 posted on 12/28/2009 5:32:11 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Each contemptuous Senate Democrat is thinking: "Oh, it will all blow over by spring--they'll forget")
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To: LSUfan; Lando Lincoln; neverdem; SJackson; dennisw; NonValueAdded; Alouette; .cnI redruM; Valin; ...
Frank J. Gaffney, Jr.:

... Read my lips, Secretary Napolitano:  Abdulmutallab's actions were absolutely, positively part of something larger.  What they were part of is the comprehensive theo-political-legal program that authoritative Islam calls Shariah. 

This supremacist program requires its adherents to engage in jihad, or holy war, to bring about the triumph of Islam under a global theocracy, one that will impose Shariah on Muslims and non-Muslims alike.  Pursuant to Shariah, jihad should - wherever practicable - be pursued through the terrifying use of violence.  Where violent jihad is impractical or would be counterproductive, Shariah directs faithful Muslims to use other means to advance the same goal.  Koran expert Robert Spencer calls the latter "stealth jihad." 

The question must be asked:  Are we seeing a dramatic increase in violent jihadism in America ... because violence is now seen to be practicable here?

Specifically, could it be that jihadists have been emboldened by what they see as weakness and/or fecklessness on the part of the U.S. administration?  Could steps Team Obama has taken - such as the closure of Guantanamo Bay, the release of some hardened terrorists held there to Yemen (where Abdulmuttalab claims he got his plastic explosive device), granting others access to civilian courts and constitutional rights, etc. - actually be emboldening them to believe that murder and mayhem will accelerate the defeat and conquest of the infidel West?

... We need to be equally clear about the menace posed by those who adhere to Shariah but profess to seek to "Islamicize" America through non-violent means.  In the wake of the recent actual and averted attacks, the press has, for example, trumpeted the views of parents of five jihadists from Northern Virginia, imams at mosques where they worshipped and prominent fixtures in the various Muslim Brotherhood front organizations.  Unsurprisingly, all of them profess shock - shock! - that these young people would want to do as they have been taught to, pursuant to Shariah: namely, follow the way of jihad against the Dar al-Harb (the "House of War" that is the non-Muslim world).

Nowhere in these disinformation operations is any mention made of the Muslim Brotherhood's self-declared mission in America.  According to an internal Brotherhood strategic plan dating from 1991, that mission is: "A kind of grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and "sabotaging" its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and Allah's religion is made victorious over all other religions."

As long as Janet Napolitano, Attorney General Eric Holder, the intelligence community, law enforcement, the military, the media and most especially President Obama refuse to acknowledge what animates our enemies, we will never develop an effective strategy for defeating them, let alone successfully implement it.  Part and parcel of achieving such an understanding is to stop allowing the stealth jihadists in our midst to blind us to this reality.

Nailed It!

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9 posted on 12/29/2009 6:10:02 AM PST by Tolik
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To: Tolik; All

In short.....if you are a Muslim......you don’t fly..........Period.

Naaaa.....the goobermint doesn’t have the will to do what’s right.....

Political Correctness is now the devils tool.

It may hasten the destruction of America.


10 posted on 12/29/2009 6:31:27 AM PST by Halgr (Once a Marine, always a Marine - Semper Fi)
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“In short.....if you are a Muslim......you don’t fly..........Period.”

Why should it be either/or? Your position is impossible not for PC but for many other reasons. You know that muslims do fly with El Al, right? Our victory in Iraq would not be possible without Muslim allies. Jihadists kill more Muslims than non-Muslims. And how about Nigerian Muslim father actually reporting on his radicalized son? Itching to have a war with all billion plus Mulsims is counterproductive. And there is no need. Yes, Islam will have to go through their own civil war, and yes we should take sides. And we should profile. And severely limit Muslim immigration. But count me against declaring each and every Muslim an enemy.

Where we did go wrong is in not declaring Wahhabism/Salafism and such as our enemy (or at least quietly treating it as such). CAIR is allowed to be a voice of Muslims in America when they are not. Most of Islamic religious school in America are funded by Saudi Wahhabi money and sing to their tune. British mosques are some of the most radicalized in the world. To allow this is ridicules. Here is our PC mistake very much like allowing painting Clarence Thomas, Condi, Sowell as not authentically black. There are plenty of Muslims who do not support sharia and jihad - we (the west) just ignore them mostly when they should be supported. There is plenty of room for smart strategies and tactics between appeasing and kowtowing to radical Islam and declaring a war on each and every Muslim.


11 posted on 12/29/2009 7:23:54 AM PST by Tolik
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To: LSUfan

When people get the general understanding of the difference between the “lesser” Jihad, and the “greater” Jihad the motivations of those radicalizing people to commit act like this will give us the tools to combat it, and do it agressively when it is needed...

Joel Rosenberg’s book “Inside the Revolution” is a good read and reference for those concerned about the war on radical islam...

And “Terrorist Hunter” by Anonymous, will get you inside the financing mechanism that supports worldwide terrorist operations...

Sure, people will say, “I have lots of books on terrorism.” but it doesn’t hurt to look at a few more...

What never ceases to amaze me is we are doing some things that really effective in disrupting and therefore protecting us and others around the world from this conventional terrorist activity...What will come to a shock to some, but will not surprise many is the un-conventional threat...

This war will never end, and until folks realize that the bad guys are committed, and will always have a bullpen full of shlups like the guy who tried to bomb the Detroit bound airliner last week...

We have to be right 100% of the time...Whereas the enemy only has to be right once...

Those are not very good odds, but the fight and the pressure needs to be a realistic full court press, or it just makes it easier for them to be right once...


12 posted on 12/29/2009 8:22:44 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus sayin')
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To: Tolik
There is plenty of room for smart strategies and tactics between appeasing and kowtowing to radical Islam and declaring a war on each and every Muslim.

Thanks for the ping. But your comments reminded me of a previous ping to an excellent essay by Orson Scott Card. His conclusion makes good sense:

Then, when Muslims themselves are able to excommunicate the barbarians and forbid them to call themselves legitimate Muslims, the religion of Islam can be accepted and trusted as another civilized religion, worthy of the protections of the Constitution.

Meanwhile, however, it is time for us to stop extending the protection of the Constitution to those who, under the guise of religion, are actively promoting the right to deprive Americans of their civil rights – including the right to continue breathing.


America needs to make it perfectly clear that it's up to Muslims to police their own if they wish to be allowed in our country. The Constitution, as it's been said, is not a suicide pact. Nor is any nation, society or people obliged to permit its own destruction - not by any law nor ethical code that can stand the test of reason.

If there are in fact Muslims in our country who utterly oppose their Koran's commands to kill us and destroy our nation, they need to understand that until they openly and formally revise their religion (a la the Protestant Reformation, for instance), they will be, like their unreformed brethren, suspect.

If and when they do begin their religious civil war, we will back them. Until that day, they don't board a plane in our country. And if the innocent among them suffer because of the guilty, it is well within their power to do something about it. Let'em clean their own house.
13 posted on 12/29/2009 11:02:45 AM PST by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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Thank you for reminding about Card’s post. I admire OSC and like most, but not all, of what you said too.

My point, simplified: the west can win a nuclear showdown with Islam and kill them all. (and I am not arguing with a strawman here, look around FR, for example - so many posters display nothing but bloodthirstiness in varied degrees). But its a horrible price to pay. I hope sincerely that it never comes to that. What to do? Act from the position of strength. Kill Jihadists, confront their supporters. Make them regret it. Osama bin Laden was absolutely right describing this fight basically in “who is the stronger horse - us or them”. Encourage “the fifth column” in Islam. No need to be shy about it. And be patient - it will take many-many years. An Islam reformation won’t happen in a year. While we do that, all calls for killing millions of them (and the poster I replied to was not calling for it, but many other freepers did) are not helpful - they are too easy to ridicule and take attention from the serious discussion of what to do.


14 posted on 12/29/2009 12:16:06 PM PST by Tolik
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To: LSUfan
SNIPPET from post no. 1: "Not "part of anything larger"? Is she serious? Does she take us for fools?"


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THE SUN.co.uk: "25 BRITS IN JET BOMB PLOTS Cops fear that 25 British-born Muslims are plotting to bomb airliners." (SNIPPET: "The 25 suspects, of Pakistani and Somali descent, were radicalised in UK mosques. Some had been to university and studied engineering or computer sciences. Others were former street gang members. Special Branch monitored them as they flew to Yemen, in the Middle East, from British airports in the spring and summer. In almost every case, their tickets were paid for in cash and bought less than a week before travel. The source added: "Imams would have promised them rewards in heaven for becoming suicide bombers prepared to kill Westerners."") (December 27, 2009)
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INVESTIGATIVE PROJECT.org - For The Record - blog: "'HUNDREDS' MORE AL QAEDA OPERATIVES IN YEMEN PLANNING ATTACKS, FOREIGN MINISTER SAYS" (SNIPPET: ""Of course there are a number of Al Qaeda operatives in Yemen and some of their leaders. We realize this danger," Al-Qirbi said. "They may actually plan attacks like the one we have just had in Detroit. There are maybe hundreds of them - 200, 300."") (December 29, 2009, 3:32)
DEFENSE.gov (AMERICAN FORCES PRESS SERVICE): Washington - "OFFICIAL LAUDS YEMENI GOVERNMENT FOR TAKING ON AL-QAIDA" (SNIPPET: "The Yemeni government said the strikes were a success, but there has not been an accounting of casualties in the strikes.") (December 28, 2009)

FOX NEWS.com: "FOLLOWING PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE, TERRORISTS TURN YEMEN INTO POOR MAN'S AFGHANISTAN" (Updated December 27, 2009)

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INVESTIGATIVE PROJECT.org - For The Record - blog: "AL QAEDA TOUTS VIRTUES OF AIRPLANE BOMBINGS, SMALL EXPLOSIVES" (December 29, 2009, 9:30 am)

COUNTERTERRORISM BLOG.org: "AL-QAIDA IN YEMEN CLAIMS RESPONSIBILITY FOR CHRISTMAS DAY AIRLINE TERROR PLOT" by Evan Kohlmann (SNIPPET: "The group acknowledged that the device had failed to properly detonate, but promised that it would "continue on this path until we achieve success."") (December 28, 2009, 08:51 pm)
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FOX NEWS.com: "UNDERWEAR BOMB REVEALED AS TERROR SUSPECT WARNS MORE ATTACKS COMING" (December 29, 2009)

ABC NEWS.go.com - The Blotter: "TWO AL QAEDA LEADERS BEHIND NORTHWEST FLIGHT 253 TERROR PLOT WERE RELEASED BY U.S. (SNIPPET: "American officials agreed to send the two terrorists from Guantanamo to Saudi Arabia where they entered into an "art therapy rehabilitation program" and were set free, according to U.S. and Saudi officials. Guantanamo prisoner #333, Muhamad Attik al-Harbi, and prisoner #372, Said Ali Shari, were sent to Saudi Arabia on Nov. 9, 2007, according to the Defense Department log of detainees who were released from American custody. Al-Harbi has since changed his name to Muhamad al-Awfi." (December 28, 2009)
THE MEMRI BLOG.org - New Memri TV Clip: "AL-QAEDA MILITANTS IN YEMEN: WE FIGHT THE AMERICANS, NOT THE YEMENI ARMY" (Posted December 22, 2009)


INVESTIGATIVE PROJECT.org - For The Record - blog: "WOLF: SENDING DETAINEES TO YEMEN 'UNCONSCIONABLE'" (December 29, 2:51 pm)

HOT AIR.com - blog: "WHAT TO DO WITH THE 95 YEMENIS AT GITMO NOW?" by Ed Morrissey (December 27, 2009)


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WHITEHOUSE.gov: Kaneohe Bay Marine Base, Kaneohe, Hawaii - "Statement by the President on Preliminary Information from his Ongoing Consultation about the Detroit Incident" (December 29, 2009)

WHITEHOUSE.gov: "The President Addresses the Public on the Attempted Terrorist Attack" -Posted by Macon Phillips (December 28, 2009, 4:35 pm EST)

Kaneohe Bay Marine Base, Kaneohe, Hawaii - "Statement by the President on the Attempted Attack on Christmas Day and Recent Violence in Iran" (December 28, 2009)


US DOJ.gov - Justice.gov/opa - Press Release: Washington - "NIGERIAN NATIONAL CHARGED WITH ATTEMPTING TO DESTROY NORTHWEST AIRLINES AIRCRAFT" (SNIPPET: "Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, 23") (December 26, 2009)

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OSINT.INTERNET-HAGANAH.com: "ABDUL FAROUK ABDULMUTALLAB, OR THE 'YEAH, WHATEVER' SCHOOL OF COUNTERTERRORISM" by Aaron Weisburd (December 28, 2009)

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FOREIGN POLICY.com: "NO, MADAM SECRETARY: THE SYSTEM IS NOT WORKING" by Evan F. Kohlmann (December 28, 2009)

Online.WSJ.com - Opinion: "THE TERROR THIS TIME Janet Napolitano says the system worked. NO, we were brave and lucky." (December 28, 2009)

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ABC NEWS.go.com - The Blotter: "TWO AL QAEDA LEADERS BEHIND NORTHWEST FLIGHT 253 TERROR PLOT WERE RELEASED BY U.S. (SNIPPET: "American officials agreed to send the two terrorists from Guantanamo to Saudi Arabia where they entered into an "art therapy rehabilitation program" and were set free, according to U.S. and Saudi officials. Guantanamo prisoner #333, Muhamad Attik al-Harbi, and prisoner #372, Said Ali Shari, were sent to Saudi Arabia on Nov. 9, 2007, according to the Defense Department log of detainees who were released from American custody. Al-Harbi has since changed his name to Muhamad al-Awfi." (December 28, 2009)
INTERNET-HAGANAH.com: "AL-QAIDA CLAIM OF RESPONSIBILITY FOR NW FLIGHT 253 ATTACK" (December 28, 2009)

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JIHADICA.com - blog: "AL-QA'IDA IN ARABIAN PENINSULA ISSUES CLAIM OF RESPONSIBILITY" by Vahid Brown (December 28, 2009)

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Video (AL JAZEERA): "Al Qaeda in Yemen says it is fighting the US - 22 Dec 09" (Adding December 22, 2009)


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ABC NEWS.go.com - The Blotter - Exclusive: "PHOTOS OF THE NORTHWEST AIRLINES BOMB Accused Bomber Abdulmutallab's Underwear, Explosive Packet and Detonator" (SNIPPET: "It is a six-inch long packet of the high explosive chemical called PETN, less than a half cup in volume, weighing about 80 grams. A government test with 50 grams of PETN blew a hole in the side of an airliner. That was the amount in the bomb carried by the so-called shoe bomber Richard Reid over Christmas 2001. The underpants bomb would have been one and a half times as powerful.") (December 28, 2009)
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JIHAD WATCH.org (ABC News): "REPORT: FLIGHT 253 BOMB BUILT BY AL-QAEDA IN YEMEN; AIRCRFT SAVED BY FAILED DETONATOR" (December 26, 2009)

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INTERNET-HAGANAH.com: "BINARY EXPLOSIVES: FROM DISCUSSION TO IMPLEMENTATION" (December 26, 2009)

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stepping back in time...INTERNET-HAGANAH.com: "FUN WITH BINARY EXPLOSIVES" (SNIPPET: "Binary explosives are bad, bad stuff. The jihadis have not yet learned how to make the stuff, but they have enough chemical engineers in their ranks that it should only be matter of time.") (January 14, 2007)

Video (CNN): "Intended Victims of Northwest Flight 253 Apprehended Islamic Terrorist" (Note: THANK YOU PASSENGER JASPER SCHURINGA for your quick action. -Cindy) (December 26, 2009)

Video - FOX NEWS Interview - Gregg Jarrett interviewing Kurt Haskell (VIDEO INTERVIEW SNIPPET - "...well-dressed Indian man..." "...a different Indian gentleman...around age 30...") (Added December 28, 2009)

AF.REUTERS.com: Amsterdam - "DUTCH PROBE CLAIMS OF NIGERIAN BOMBER ACCOMPLICE" (SNIPPET: "A U.S. couple on the flight, Kurt and Lori Haskell, told Reuters and other news agencies that they saw a tall, well-dressed man aged about 50 with the suspect Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab on Friday morning at Amsterdam's Schiphol Airport.") (December 28, 2009, 7:37 am GMT)
JIHAD WATCH.org (MLIVE.com, December 26, 2009): "WHO WAS THAT SHARPLY DRESSED MAN" (SNIPPET: "Haskell said he and his wife were sitting on the ground near their boarding gate in Amsterdam, which is when they saw Mutallab approach the gate with an unidentified man. Kurt and Lori Haskell are attorneys with Haskell Law Firm in Taylor. Their expertise includes bankruptcy, family law and estate planning. While Mutallab was poorly dressed,his friend was dressed in an expensive suit, Haskell said. He says the suited man asked ticket agents whether Mutallab could board without a passport. "The guy said, 'He's from Sudan and we do this all the time.'" Mutallab is Nigerian.") (December 27, 2009)
JIHAD WATCH.org (REUTERS, December 27, 2009): "Flight 253 Jihadist's hometown: he learned about that jihad stuff somewhere else" (SNIPPET: "...he had been given the nickname "Alfa" - a local term for an Islamic scholar - while at school in Togo, for his preaching to other students.") (Posted December 28, 2009)
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JIHAD WATCH.org (ABC NEWS): "SUSPECT IN ATTEMPTED BOMBING OF DETROIT FLIGHT HAD VISA TO ATTEND 'RELIGIOUS CEREMONY'" (SNIPPET: "The suspect was identified as Abdul Farouk Abdulmutallab, 23, who according to federal documents is an engineering student at University College of London.") (December 25, 2009)
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BBC News: "FATHER WARNED U.S. ABOUT PLANE BOMB SUSPECT'S BEHAVIOUR" (Last updated December 27, 2009, 2:36 GMT)

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THE JAWA REPORT - blog: "FLIGHT 253 BOMBER CLAIMS AL-QAEDA IN YEMEN LINKS (Updated - Video Image of Abdulmutallab added)" (SNIPPET: "I received a copy of this video the other day. The 23rd to be exact. It was the subject of some chatter on a the boards talking about "Was it really safe to fly". No kidding.") (December 26, 2009, 07:27 am)
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LONG WAR JOURNAL.org: "RADICAL U.S. CLERIC SURVIVED AIRSTRIKE IN YEMEN: FAMILY" by Bill Roggio (December 25, 2009, 8:05 pm)

LONG WAR JOURNAL.org: "YEMENI AIRSTRIKE TARGETS AL QAEDA LEADERS" by Bill Roggio (December 24, 2009, 7:55 am)

NY DAILY NEWS.com: "ANWAR AL-AWLAKI, IMAM LINKED TO FT. HOOD GUNMAN HASAN, BELIEVED TO HAVE BEEN KILLED IN YEMENI STRIKE" by Helen Kennedy (Updated December 24, 2009, 5:23 pm)

FOX NEWS.com: "IMAM LINKED TO FT. HOOD RAMPAGE BELIEVED AMONG 30 AL QAEDA KILLED IN AIRSTRIKE" (December 24, 2009)


DAWN.com: "BRITISH EMBASSY IN YEMEN TARGETED BY AL-QAEDA" (SNIPPET: "Sanaa: The British embassy in Sanaa was the target of an al-Qaeda suicide plot foiled by Yemeni authorities last week, a defence ministry-linked website said on Thursday.") (December 24, 2009)

Online.WSJ.com: "GUANTANAMO NORTH, AND EAST Al Qaeda Detainees Move to Illinois and Yemen." (December 19, 2009)

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WASHINGTON POST.com: "SIX YEMENI DETAINEES AT GUANTANAMO BAY TO BE REPATRIATED" (SNIPPET: "The Obama administration is planning to repatriate six Yemenis held at the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, a transfer that could be a prelude to the release of dozens more detainees to Yemen, according to sources with independent knowledge of the matter.") (December 18, 2009, 5:04 am)
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INTERNET-HAGANAH.com: "ICT JIHADI WEBSITES MONITORING GROUP..." (SNIPPET: "One of the surfers suggests using a low power laser in order to bring planes down. Several surfers show enthusiasm for this suggestion, but one surfer doubts it, including suggestions made by other surfers to use higher powered lasers, such as those appearing on the website of the...") (December 23, 2009)
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15 posted on 12/29/2009 5:01:59 PM PST by Cindy
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16 posted on 12/29/2009 5:20:05 PM PST by Grampa Dave (Does 0b0z0 have any friends, who aren't traitors, spies, tax cheats and criminals?)
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