Posted on 12/23/2009 11:05:31 PM PST by neverdem
good, thanks
A good post. What’s Xenia’s new id?
The early Church commemorated the birth of Christ on December 25 because it was 9 months after March 25, the accepted date for the Annunciation. A Roman Emperor, concerned with Christianity’s growth,co-opted the Dec. 25 date already celebrated as Christmas Day and created from whole cloth a “Sun festival” that, in any event, was 4 days late (since the winter solstice (Dec. 21 is the shortest day of the year in the Northern Hemisphere).
So let me get this straight: Because I don’t buy into Replacement Theology therefore I am automatically anti-God, anti-American, anti-christian, anti-religion?
Neat article - Well done!
The passing of the winter solstice is going from death to rebirth.
Jesus died for our sins, and provided a ‘path’ that allows us to be reborn in a pure state, after death.
That is the clearest ‘reason’ we celebrate Christ’s Mass.
The REAL point is that in our country, we are supposed to have the freedom to celebrate ANY religious holiday, ANY WAY we want to.
We are being told as a society that OTHERS may have that freedom, but WE DO NOT.
WHATSUPWIDDAT!!!
What’s Replacement Theology?
It’s also known as Supersessionism just search “Replacement Theology” on wikipedia. I do not buy into it, and there i s a large community us. I find it amazing that Mr. Duke assumes that all peoples who chose not to celebrate christmas must be anti-christian and anti-american. Just because I do not buy into replacement theology doesn’t mean I do not celebrate the birth of Jesus, and because I chose not to celebrate the birth of Jesus on December 25th must mean I am an evil prik (according to Duke).
Luke 22:19, “And He took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and it to them saying, “This is My body which is given for you; do THIS in remembrance of Me.” But who you going to argue with? Jesus or the Catholic Church?
Judaism is quite early American, and so is Protestant Christianity (Protestant as in Puritan, Huguenot, early Presbyterian,...not anything like the contemporary sects, which are closer to Catholic).
“To Bigotry No Sanction,
to Persecution No Assistance”
George Washington’s Letter to the
Jews of Newport, Rhode Island
(1790)
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/bigotry.html
As for Christian beliefs and trends in general, I was instructed to avoid controversy with it and just get along.
I personally don't have a dog in the fight and I'm not really bothered if people celebrate it or not. They should be free to do as they please. I just get amused sometimes with the justifications for celebrating Christmas. From a biblical standpoint, there is no precedence where the early christians did so. The Lord's Supper is what they went out of their way to observe every first day of the week. I'm sure Christmas was instituted wth good intentions but I'm not convinced it's scriptural.
I don’t know that Christians have cornered the market with that particular trait. I’m afraid that’s a human condition that can affect anyone. As for religion doing bad things...I’m afraid they are all guilty..including the fundamentalist atheists. lol
“Yes, you not only have to believe exactly what they do, you have to believe it for the same reasons or you are all those nasty things and more....
There are more documents than the bible documenting those times. Many Christians have the Nazi attitude that they can never admit that their religion ever did even the smallest thing wrong. It seems that in their mind it is and has always been totally perfect. Nothing less is acceptable, and if they don’t know what happened and they can’t find it in the bible, they they just make it up.
This habit does not make Christians look good in the face of world judgment.”
Did you not read the article? Most often when documentation is found, it collaborates the Bible. Can you offer a few instances where this has not been shown to be true? Christianity is probably the kindest, most generous entity in the history of the world, propaganda to the counter aside. There is nothing in world history that comes close to the amount of help to people in need, food, shelter, disaster relief, money, not to mention saving people’s souls. There is no possible comparison from Christianity to Nazism, it is ignorant and rude to think otherwise. Before you spout your stupid thoughts on people you should try to contemplate for a few moments what you are going to say. Also, try reading history, not just getting your information from propagandists.
To both oldenuff2no & TNdandelion, you’ve summed up what my follow-on post would’ve been. I agree with both of you….unfortunately Mr. Duke would apparently label you both as anti-americans and equate you to the progressive liberals as well.
“In this country (US), most people did not celebrate Christmas until the 1800’s when it became fashionable. In some places, it was actually prohibited because it was considered heresy.
I personally don’t have a dog in the fight and I’m not really bothered if people celebrate it or not. They should be free to do as they please. I just get amused sometimes with the justifications for celebrating Christmas. From a biblical standpoint, there is no precedence where the early christians did so. The Lord’s Supper is what they went out of their way to observe every first day of the week. I’m sure Christmas was instituted wth good intentions but I’m not convinced it’s scriptural.”
I just watched a documentary on the subject of when Jesus was born. They used the bible, other documentation, astronomy and astrological information to determine that it was probably in September. One of the interesting facts presented was that indeed, if Jesus was born in September, then he was conceived in December. Jesus’ conception was the start of the new beginning that would change the world for the good forever. So, how appropriate to celebrate Christmas at this time.
By the way, you are incorrect about Christmas in colonial America. Of course they celebrated Christmas...it was just more of a solemn religious celebration than today.
This is insane. Am I reading this right? Is he actually saying that those who disagree with him on the pagan origins of Christmas are not real Christians?
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