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1 posted on 12/23/2009 7:43:52 PM PST by Thirteen
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Does anyone still believe anything that the MSM or the liberal press writes? Better yet, does anyone even read this manure? Minitrue and Doublespeak are meant only to mislead and to deceive the Proles. Believe nothing that you read online or in the papers unless you can verify it from sources that you trust.


42 posted on 12/23/2009 8:24:01 PM PST by Nosterrex
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A panel of experts ruled her claim the Obama administration was planning to ...

I suppose that the word hasn't gotten around, but when this phrase is used in a "news" report, without identifying the members of the "panel", it renders whatever follows insignificant.

The fools and criminals describing themselves as "experts" these days is too high to count.

Why the "press" insists on foisting this useless rhetorical device as news, I have no idea,

44 posted on 12/23/2009 8:29:44 PM PST by Publius6961 (Â…he's not America, he's an employee who hasn't risen to minimal expectations.)
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Just because the legislation didn’t actually use the TERM “death panels”, doesn’t mean they are not part of it. Any time a beurocrat or committee of such make life or death decisions about what treatments are “cost effective”, and decide if I have had enough of a “useful life”, I think deserves the title of “Death Panel”...


46 posted on 12/23/2009 8:31:30 PM PST by TheBattman (They exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature...)
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Even bigger than the Global Warming lie that will soon enslave us all?


48 posted on 12/23/2009 8:49:30 PM PST by RatsDawg
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1. On Saturday, I posted this:

http://24ahead.com/politifact-lie-year-misleads-angie-drobnic-holan-sarah-palin

2. On Monday, I posted a comment here linking to that page and, in response to someone who said this story was a nothingburger pointed out that stories like this do get spread all around the internet and do have an impact. “Just ignore it and it will go away” is usually very bad advice.

3. Now, today, we see the story spreading to the UK after bouncing around all the corners of the internet in the U.S. today and yesterday.

4. This post gives a perfectly good link to Politifact, helping their search engine position.

5. Meanwhile, no one except for me is linking to my page above, when doing so could help it rise in search results and could help counter-act what PFact is trying to do.

People need to learn how to fight back *effectively* against things like this rather than doing things that aren’t effective or just letting things happen.


52 posted on 12/23/2009 9:00:24 PM PST by lonewacko_dot_com
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After screaming Palin lied! Palin lied! Pants on fire! Pants on file! the newspaper employees calmed down a little.

Here's some of the actual text that appeared at the very end of the newspaper employees' "The Truth-O-Meter Says" harangue: "Conservatives might make a case that Palin is justified in fearing that the current reform could one day morph into such a board. But that's not what Palin said. She said that the Democratic plan will ration care . . . ."

The current reform will one day morph into total government control. Ain't that the Rat Party (formerly the traditional Democratic Party) plan? This is the "starter home."

Still there are those comments by Daschle saying that seniors just got to get used to not getting unlimited care and who could forget Democrat Richard Lamm, "seriously ill old people have a duty to die and get out of the way" -- later modified to say "seriously ill people of all ages" have a duty to die and get out of the way.

Looking at these newspaper employees' feeeeeeeeeeeeelings it appears the 98+ percent of all lies originate with people with whom they disagree politically. Interesting.

53 posted on 12/23/2009 9:06:56 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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Sarah Palin and Death Panels: A Brief History

http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2009/12/sarah_palin_and_death_panels_a.asp

It is perfectly clear that Palin is talking about rationing in general. She specifically made an argument about the government’s refusing to pay the cost of health care will lead to rationing care, and she also wrote that her “baby with Down Syndrome” could be affected by such rationing. How would “end-of-life counseling” for the elderly cause the death of a disabled baby?

As Ben Smith notes, Palin’s spokesperson did cite the end-of-life counseling provision as a specific example of rationing in the bill. But that was just one example, which, Palin argued could put pressure on the elderly.


54 posted on 12/23/2009 9:33:50 PM PST by SmartInsight (Dems in power are a clear and present danger to our freedom and the survival of our nation.)
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Nonsense. Rationed health care in effect will operate as potential death panels, and it is not difficult to see and understand this truth.


55 posted on 12/23/2009 10:08:52 PM PST by Countyline (God loves you ... He wants you to love Him back; to learn of Him and obey His commands.)
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A panel of experts ruled her claim the Obama administration was planning to introduce "death panels"

I suppose the irony of this was lost on them.

56 posted on 12/23/2009 10:13:37 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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You have to be a moron not to realize bureaucrats are going to decide who gets care and what kind of care and who doesn’t. In short, life and death decisions all at the hands of some faceless bureaucrat protecting his or her turf. A death panel is an accurate description.


57 posted on 12/23/2009 10:22:50 PM PST by DB
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Well gee, if she lied thn why did the Libs immediately come out and publically state they were REMOVING that part of the from their reform legislation.

"August 14, 2009|Christi Parsons and Andrew Zajac WASHINGTON —

A Senate panel has decided to scrap the part of its healthcare bill that in recent days has given rise to fears of government "death panels,"

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/aug/14/nation/na-health-end-of-life14

60 posted on 12/24/2009 2:32:16 AM PST by 101voodoo
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Its propaganda warfare, they have it wrong in the UK, the Obamacare will indeed do a triage effect when it dictates the degree of services per age and or disabilities.

In its now modified form about to pass its even more bastardized and restrictive. The future society of America must excise the weak, a wounded soldier requires much more of a drain of resources than a dead soldier.

By Obamas own admission their will be a tighter leaner government. Dead people are cheap to dispose of.


63 posted on 12/24/2009 3:12:10 AM PST by Eye of Unk (Phobos, kerdos, and doxa, said the Time Traveler. “Fear, self-interest, and honor.”)
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The Telegraph told a much bigger whopper when they used the term "experts" as the ones making the decision.
65 posted on 12/24/2009 4:37:16 AM PST by Tribune7
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