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How do I know China wrecked the Copenhagen deal? I was in the room
Guardian ^ | Mark Lynas

Posted on 12/23/2009 8:10:45 AM PST by ventanax5

Copenhagen was much worse than just another bad deal, because it illustrated a profound shift in global geopolitics. This is fast becoming China's century, yet its leadership has displayed that multilateral environmental governance is not only not a priority, but is viewed as a hindrance to the new superpower's freedom of action. I left Copenhagen more despondent than I have felt in a long time. After all the hope and all the hype, the mobilisation of thousands, a wave of optimism crashed against the rock of global power politics, fell back, and drained away.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: china; climategate; copenhagen; enviromarxism; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; globalwarmingscandal; gorebullwarming; obama; rodneykingscience
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1 posted on 12/23/2009 8:10:45 AM PST by ventanax5
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To: ventanax5

At Copenhagen, our President was publicly humiliated and appeared powerless to do anything about it. The American Century officially ended. The Chinese now have all the muscle, and they know exactly what they want to do with it. Thanks to 53% of American voters’ ignorance, we are now their client state, ruled by an inept fool.

Welcome to the Chinese Century.


2 posted on 12/23/2009 8:15:17 AM PST by henkster (tagline under reconstruction)
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To: henkster
Heard a Clinton-crony decry Obama’s actions. Obama wasted precious prestige on speculation. He only should have shown up when there was an agreement.
3 posted on 12/23/2009 8:18:26 AM PST by griswold3 (You think health care is expensive now? Just wait till it's FREE!)
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To: ventanax5

WHAAA! Obama was humiliated - WAAA!

My smile will last well past dinner tonight. If I may use a Chinese saying, “The enemy of my enemy is my friend”.

Obama is the declared enemy of the Constitution and historic American government. Thank you, Chine, for not buying into the enviro-soccialist lies.

As for Chine owning the next century, China has many, many problems.

America will remain the “Shining City On A Hill” its Founders envisioned.


4 posted on 12/23/2009 8:22:07 AM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: griswold3
He only should have shown up when there was an agreement.

He thought, being the All-Powerful Wizard of Odd, that his mere presence would precipitate an agreement.

5 posted on 12/23/2009 8:22:21 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: henkster

Obama in desperation to declare some kind of victory resorted to acting like an activist and crashed a meeting he was uninvited to. In Obama’s backward way of viewing things he probably thinks that to be real cool but I am sure this any many of his actions do not fly with other world leaders at all and that Obama is continually destroying his credibility on the world stage. This is dangerous for our nation.


6 posted on 12/23/2009 8:22:40 AM PST by TheBigIf
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To: ventanax5

It’s a sad state of affairs when the Premier of the Peoples Republic of China is more reliable than the US President to defend the interests of liberty.

Preservation of individual liberty wasn’t Wen’s primary interest, but his refusal to kowtow to the UN IPCC certainly prevented its erosion.


7 posted on 12/23/2009 8:22:56 AM PST by Skepolitic
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To: ventanax5

“China knows it is becoming an uncontested superpower; indeed its newfound muscular confidence was on striking display in Copenhagen”

No more George Bush to kick around, eh?

China as the world’s new leading superpower- the liberal diplomat wet dream of the past 3 decades

popcorn anyone?


8 posted on 12/23/2009 8:22:59 AM PST by silverleaf (More folks being invited to the White House for Holiday parties than are being sent to Afghanistan)
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To: henkster

Good article. Hats off to China and India for not bowing down to junk science, and for supporting capitalism in front of these socialist midgets like the Kenyan pimp.


9 posted on 12/23/2009 8:24:41 AM PST by nwrep
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To: ventanax5

Of course China doesn’t give a squat about reducing their drive for increased economic power for the sake of the environment. None of the developing nations are willing to do that.

America, on the other hand, has become the “can’t do it” nation. We can’t build refineries, can’t build nuclear plants, can’t drill for oil, can’t do things because we might endanger a bug, want to tax carbon emissions, want those with money to fork some of it over to those that don’t have as much.


10 posted on 12/23/2009 8:24:57 AM PST by frposty (I'm a simpleton)
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I think the final straw for China was the recent Saturday Night Live skit where, at a joint news conferenec aduring O’s trip to China, the Chinese official asks Obama to kiss him, Obama asks why, and then the China-Dude say “because I like that before you do sex to me...” and bends over butt facing O.

What else is there to say?


11 posted on 12/23/2009 8:32:12 AM PST by dtrpscout (A bad dog is better than most good people.)
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To: frposty

“America, on the other hand, has become the “can’t do it” nation.”

You are SOOOO right. At age 50, I’ve become accustomed to accepting incompetence in just about everyone I deal with. I remember a time when Americans had a work ethic and drive to succeed, we paid attention to what we were doing and used common sense and initiative to get a job done. Now, most of the people I deal with are just half-assing their way through life and not giving a damn. Our nation has been deadened by the leftists.


12 posted on 12/23/2009 8:33:44 AM PST by henkster (tagline under reconstruction)
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To: griswold3

“He only should have shown up when there was an agreement.”

This is how international agreements are reached. The agreements are fully agreed to but the last details are not announced and may be obfuscated by claims that there are sticking points to be resolved. The princes fly in, resolve the fake sticking points and walk away with all the gold.

Obama was foolish in believing that he could actually convince India and China to change their position.

This guy is really naive.


13 posted on 12/23/2009 8:35:58 AM PST by texmexis best
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To: ventanax5
Well God bless the ChiComs. They slowed or stopped this trainwreck, and at the same time pulled SuperKenyan's cape and tights off in front of everyone.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

14 posted on 12/23/2009 8:36:40 AM PST by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: nwrep

In the narrow confines of “climate change” treaties, the Chinese and Indians did right by us and saved us from ourselves. But in the bigger picture, it’s pretty clear now who calls the shots in the international arena.

As someone else commented, the Chinese have their own problems. Of course, who doesn’t? But I’d be happy to have their industrial base and balance sheet right now. And in the balance, our problems are much greater, because in reality, our problem can be summed up quite simply: Our country lacks will.


15 posted on 12/23/2009 8:38:21 AM PST by henkster (tagline under reconstruction)
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To: ventanax5
I left Copenhagen more despondent than I have felt in a long time. After all the hope and all the hype, the mobilisation of thousands, a wave of optimism crashed against the rock of global power politics, fell back, and drained away.

Copenhagen held no "hope"; it was all hype. The only "optimism" was in the potential to soak the West for Marxist redistribution of trillions of dollars of wealth to third world nations (while properly seated grifters could hope to skim a few billions off here and there for generations).

If the situation was so dire, they wouldn't have wasted so many resources to hold it there (telecommute), wouldn't have made exceptions for 2billion people (India and China), and wouldn't have been chowing down on caviar and riding in thousands of limos.

It is a ponzi scheme. Outright fraud and a socialist power grab. The only optimists are the ones who want to subvert the entirety of Western Civilization.

16 posted on 12/23/2009 8:45:49 AM PST by a fool in paradise (Question authority!Who is the University of East Anglia to drive the 'Global Climate Change' agenda?)
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So we should believe a freelance writer that was actually attached to the Maldives delegation - population around 400,000 - half the size of Tucson. Heck, even their official representative to the Hopenhagen mess actually is an Aussie who doesn't even live in the country.

Maldives is first in line on the warmist scam with their hands out for our $$$ due to rising ocean levels - while pushing their eco-tourism economy. Even the tourism is somewhat fake since the tourists are not permitted to travel to many islands in case they pollute the local Muslim thinking...

Lynas is just a paid shill...

17 posted on 12/23/2009 8:56:52 AM PST by az_gila (AZ - need less democrats - one Governor down... more to go.)
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To: ventanax5

In Obama’s defense ... no one else who would be the US President could have swayed the Chinese and Indians to sign on to such a ridiculous treaty ... precisely because it was a ridiculous treaty, not because Obama was inept.

This author is criticizing the wrong thing.


18 posted on 12/23/2009 8:59:10 AM PST by Lorianne
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To: henkster
The world still rests in Pax Americana. The Chinese, Europeans and Arab states all rely on the US provide safe markets to trade and travel. None of them either alone or collectively have the blue water power to provided it.

The US has essentially pulled out of the east African coast and look what has happened. If we pull out of all the other major shipping lanes it will be chaos. President Zero refuses to acknowledge that fact and even more importantly refuses to use it as a bargaining chip.

19 posted on 12/23/2009 9:04:07 AM PST by Boiler Plate ("Why be difficult, when with just a little more work, you can be impossible" Mom)
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To: ventanax5

Its weird to read this writer’s pain about a fake crisis.

And his anger that the Chinese didn’t fall for this fake crisis.

If the Chinese needed this fake crisis to increase its power in the world, it would have supported it, but it doesn’t. It is going to achieve dominance the old-fashioned way; it is building a very large economy, large enough to give it all the power and independence of action it needs.

It doesn’t even need the good will of the rest of the world and didn’t mind snubbing any of them or even all of them. Thats what a strong economy gives you and thats what independence of action means.

Thats what we used to strive for and its what we used to have. Now we are in hock to, guess who, China, and we are still trying to sink our already sinking economy. O and his ilk are trying to use a fake crisiss like “global warming” to put them in control of the world economy, while China busies itself building. She has nothing to be gained by empowering O and his embezzlers and conmen.


20 posted on 12/23/2009 9:04:25 AM PST by marron
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