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Facts are stubborn things: Obama is a natural-born citizen
Renew America ^ | 2009-12-23 | Jamie Freeze

Posted on 12/23/2009 6:08:15 AM PST by rabscuttle385

I never will forget meeting former North Carolina State Senator Hugh Webster my senior year of high school. He came to my school and had lunch with the seniors. As he sat down beside me, I asked him to tell me what he most loved and hated about being in Raleigh. I don't remember what he most loved, but I'll never forget what he most hated. In the words of Mr. Webster, "I don't deal well with incompetent people."

At that point, I knew Mr. Webster and I were kindred spirits. I too don't deal well with incompetent people. As a matter of fact, I go out of my way to avoid them, but when dealing with them is inevitable, I can't help but point out their incompetencies. As a law student, I am being trained to be meticulous, well-reasoned, and intelligent. After my final exam grades come back, we'll see how well I'm doing. But that aside, I feel that I have been too longsuffering in letting the Birther Movement receive simply a few caustic remarks and jabs from me. It's time for me to call a spade a spade. Here goes: If you believe that President Obama is NOT a natural-born citizen, then you are an incompetent idiot who is probably watching Glenn Beck while wearing a tin-foil hat. You probably think Obama's a Muslim too.

If you are still reading (and not firing off angry emails), then allow me to offer you factual proof that Obama is a natural-born citizen who satisfies the constitutional requirements for Commander-in-Chief. My argument is two-fold: 1. Obama was born in Hawaii (a U.S. state for my incompetent readers). 2. Obama satisfies the requirements found in the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, which defines natural-born citizens.

1. Obama was born in Hawaii. Hawaii joined the Union in 1959. Barack Obama was born in 1961. Do the math. It works. Ok, so perhaps that argument is a bit over-simplified, but that is because I find the birth certificate question so ridiculous. The President released his birth certificate (which was verified by the Hawaii Health Department) yet conspiracy theorists refuse to see logic. "Big bad Obama must be hiding something. That certificate isn't the long form. What's he hiding?" What the naysayers fail to realize is that in 1961 the standard Hawaiian birth certificate was...wait for it...exactly the same length as Obama's! The Hawaiian Health Department has said this, but as conspiracy theorists point out, they must be covering for Obama. Despite the facts, folks say that even if he was born in Hawaii, he is not a natural born citizen because his father was Kenyan. However, even if Obama was born on the moon, he would still be a natural born citizen under the Immigration and Nationality Act.

2. Obama is a natural born citizen. In Scales v. INS, 232 F.3d 1159 (2000), we have a clear definition of what natural born citizenship is. Scales' father was an American serviceman stationed in the Philippines where he met Scales' mother. They married despite the fact that Scales' mother was pregnant with him at the time. In all probability, the court said, Scales was a product of his mother's previous relationship. However, he was born after Mr. Scales married his mother, and he was treated as Scales' son. Later, Scales was facing deportation because of an aggravated felony involving drugs. He challenged his deportation saying he was a natural born citizen. The court determined that natural born citizenship depends on the statute in effect at the time of the child's birth. Since Scales was born in 1977, he was a natural born citizen because a "person shall be a national and citizen of the United States at birth who is born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than ten years, at least five of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years." Id. at 1169; see 8 U.S.C. §1401(a)(7) (1976). Therefore, Scales was a natural born citizen despite the following: having been born in a foreign country, having been born to a non-citizen, having his American father later deny paternity (and prove non-paternity), and having claimed to be a citizen of the Philippines. Sounds like it is difficult to get rid of natural born citizenship. Let's examine Barack Obama's citizenship.

Obama's citizenship will be determined under the 1952 version of the Immigration and Nationality Act since he was born in 1961 and the Act wasn't updated again until 1966. According to § 301(a)(5) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (66 Stat. 235), "a person born in an outlying possession of the United States of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year at any time prior to the birth of such person [is a natural born citizen]." According to § 305 of the same statute, any person born in Hawaii on or after April 30, 1900 was to be considered a natural born citizen. Obama's mother was a citizen of the United States, and his father was a citizen of Kenya. They were married six months before Obama was born. There is no doubt that Obama's mother resided in the United States or its possessions for at least one year prior to Obama's birth. Therefore, Obama can't be anything other than a natural born citizen. Combine this detail with his birth in an American State, you have a certified natural born citizen.

Facts are stubborn things. They refuse to go away just because people disagree with them or wish they'd go away. The Birther Movement is a stubborn thing too. It refuses to go away even when proven wrong. It is appalling that the myth of Obama's non-citizenship is allowed to flourish given that a simple search in LexisNexis of "natural born citizen" pulled up all of the relevant case law and statutes. You don't even have to be a lawyer to understand it! However, I learned a long time ago that most people are sheep — they'd rather regurgitate something they've heard rather than doing their own research. And the old adage is true: if you say something often enough, people will believe it. For once let's say the truth often enough and hope people believe it. Let's forget about conspiracy theories and focus on the real issue: Obama's policies. After all, I don't deal well with incompetent people.

© Jamie Freeze


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Politics/Elections
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To: ClearCase_guy

Muslims may love abortions of non-muslims.....I think you have something there.


61 posted on 12/23/2009 7:00:40 AM PST by Loud Mime (Liberalism is a Socialist Disease)
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To: 9YearLurker

And he hates incompetence, he should look in the mirror and recognize it immediately. What this world needs is another half-a$$ed lawyer.


62 posted on 12/23/2009 7:00:41 AM PST by eaglesiniowa ((Hope is not a course of action))
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To: Little Pig
Again, the burden of proof falls on him to dispel these questions, not on the questioner to prove the validity of their concerns.

I TOTALLY agree with your argument and logic on this. Unfortunately the Republican presidential candidate took the issue off the table and the media, even on the conservative side, were too afraid of being tagged as racist to do any independent investigation and to insist that Obama provide the suppressed documents.

63 posted on 12/23/2009 7:03:18 AM PST by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius, (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: frposty

Why spend one stinken dollar to keep his records from the people who voted for him? WHY?


64 posted on 12/23/2009 7:04:21 AM PST by GregNH (Re-Elect "No Body")
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To: LucyT; null and void

ping


65 posted on 12/23/2009 7:07:43 AM PST by Fractal Trader
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To: Oberon
I feel the exact same way... but, since he hemmed and hawed on the whole birth certificate issue, I just have to see it. So, show me the birth certificate!

How's the script coming?

66 posted on 12/23/2009 7:09:34 AM PST by carton253 (Ask me about Throw Away the Scabbard - a Civil War alternate history.)
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To: rabscuttle385
Jamie Freeze = IDIOT
67 posted on 12/23/2009 7:11:56 AM PST by piroque
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To: rabscuttle385

We know very little about him.


68 posted on 12/23/2009 7:15:15 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: rabscuttle385

He’s going to have to show who he is.

He’s going to Hawaii to make sure the new machine making false bc is working.


69 posted on 12/23/2009 7:16:25 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: carton253
How's the script coming?

Mostly it's not. I don't want to push it hard until I have a second script finished... and that one isn't in progress either. I'm spending too much time doing other stuff, and must get off my creative butt and make it happen.

70 posted on 12/23/2009 7:16:50 AM PST by Oberon (Big Brutha Be Watchin'.)
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To: traderrob6
I don’t appreciate articles that are smug, self righteous and dripping with contempt for those that have a different opinion, but heh, that’s just me.

Well said, much like the Globull Warming crowd with their own "stubborn facts."

71 posted on 12/23/2009 7:18:00 AM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: Sloth

On what basis do you believe Obama is natural born? Because his media says so?

Why won’t be provide his long form certificate?


72 posted on 12/23/2009 7:18:12 AM PST by kjo
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To: rabscuttle385

I have read stuff by this flamer before. She is an idiot. Your next ACLU lawyer. She doesn’t know what she is talking about. Statutes can’t change the constitution. She proves she is wrong in her own article. Quoting the statute, it doesn’t say “natural born citizen”. It said “a person shall be a national and citizen of the United States...”

Now I see the word “national” not “natural”. I do NOT see the phrase “natural born citizen”. So how does this apply at all?

From now on if you see this persons name, don’t bother reading it.


73 posted on 12/23/2009 7:20:07 AM PST by faucetman (Just the facts ma'am, just the facts)
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To: Oberon

Well, I’lll read it again if you want me to. I’m on the 2nd volume of my trilogy.


74 posted on 12/23/2009 7:22:25 AM PST by carton253 (Ask me about Throw Away the Scabbard - a Civil War alternate history.)
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To: rabscuttle385

These people must know he is not a natural born citizen. It is sad how hard they try to convince themselves and others that he is.

I suggest this Jaime Freeze ask Soetero-Obama to just show his original long form Birth Certificate and put an end to the rumor.


75 posted on 12/23/2009 7:25:13 AM PST by dforest (Who is the real Jim Thompson? I am.)
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To: rabscuttle385

Obama probably is a Muslim born in Kenya with bad marks on his college transcripts and different nationalities listed on different documents — he is truly a citizen of the world and a mixed bag of identities. This is the certain thing about his uncertainty. The chronic disregard for the truth indicates a flux in thinking that comes with having no base or foundation — except for his adherence to radicalism — to build from. His life is a fabrication ever malleable and changing. It’s the never ending story and it works because superficial charm is more important to our celebrity based culture than strength of character or experience. Charm is what gets things done and the story always gets more charming. Charm and a tissue of lies will get more done than anything else in our image conscious times. Surface is everything.


76 posted on 12/23/2009 7:28:38 AM PST by Blind Eye Jones
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To: rabscuttle385

Geez the same poster who was posting an article last night blaming President Bush for everything and making ignorant claims attacking our National Security is now posting a ignorant diatribe by an incompetent lawyer in support of Obama.


77 posted on 12/23/2009 7:31:54 AM PST by TheBigIf
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To: rabscuttle385

This is what is confusing around here....at least, to me.

A poster posts an article or op-ed about something that most of us disagree with and are going to dispute (attack the messenger). We usually assume that the poster agrees with the article or piec that they posted. Such is not always the case. In fact, many times it is NOT the case. Still, we attack the messenger who posts it vs. the person that wrote it.

I’ve wondered it it wouldn’t be a good idea for you to post a little blurb before the article stating YOUR stance on the article. That might eliminate a lot of confusion and a lot of wasted time by freepers attacking you, thinking you’re a troll, instead of the writer. Does that make sense?


78 posted on 12/23/2009 7:40:56 AM PST by XenaLee
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

re: E Pluribus Unum: taxes are going to skyrocket

Addressing the cost issue is crunch time. Right now we’re creating the wish list. Next we must figure out how to implement the wish list, or shorten the wish list, or bring vengeance to the politicians who foisted this wish list on us.

Interesting times are ahead. Americans won’t tolerate much in the way of tax increases. Something’s going to give. Surprises are ahead. I’m optimistic.


79 posted on 12/23/2009 7:47:37 AM PST by frposty (I'm a simpleton)
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To: rabscuttle385

Liberals don’t know a single fact. They only know emotion. If their friends say something 100 time sit must be true.

No one can name a single fact that shows Obama was born in the United States.

Liberals are illiterate idiots.


80 posted on 12/23/2009 7:50:08 AM PST by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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