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Who's to Blame for Obamacare? Two Republicans (Obama is the ultimate Republicrat legacy)
Human Events ^ | 2009-12-22 | Mark Skousen

Posted on 12/22/2009 7:29:27 PM PST by rabscuttle385

This week the Senate grinches stole Christmas. The Obama Nation is getting Obamacare.

It’s easy to blame the sixty Democrats, as the Wall Street Journal does, for "the worse bill ever." It solemnly declares: "These 60 Democrats are creating a future of epic increases in spending, taxes and command--and control regulation."

True enough. But what's the root cause of this permanent disaster?

Sorry, friends, but it’s not the Democrats, nor the American people who elected them.

The real culprits are two Republicans who ran the show the previous eight years: George W. Bush and his "master political strategist" Karl Rove. If it weren’t for these two in the White House, the Democrats wouldn’t have sixty senators, including a professional comedian from Minnesota, to close off debate and ram down our throats a bill worse than Hillary Care.

The fact is that the Bush & Rove act pushed through a litany of ruinous government policies that led to the lowest approval numbers in history:

The supply-side tax cuts were probably the only major piece of economic legislation that Bush/Rove deserve credit for, but even then, they blundered in not making the tax cuts permanent. So now even if the Republicans take back Capitol Hill in the 2010 elections, all President Obama has to do is veto an extension of the Bush tax cuts, and voila, taxes will increase automatically.

In short, we are paying a heavy price for the "compassionate conservativism" of Bush/Rove.

Once Obamacare becomes law, like Medicare and other "Great Society" programs, it will never end. We will be stuck with national health care for the rest of our lives.

And how are Bush and Rove rewarded? We aren’t seeing much of George Bush, who is quietly ensconced in his new digs in Texas.

The tragedy is Karl Rove, who ironically has been rewarded by conservatives. He’s treated like a triumphant general on Fox News almost every night and was signed on as a regular columnist in the prestigious Wall Street Journal.

Mr. Skousen is a renowned financial economist, author and university professor. He has been the editor of the financial advice newsletter, Forecasts & Strategies, for 28 years. Two of his books highlight Milton Friedman's career: "The Making of Modern Economics" and "Vienna and Chicago, Friends or Foes?." Check out his latest book "The Big Three in Economics: Adam Smith, Karl Marx, And John Maynard Keynes" or "Investing in One Lesson" and "EconoPower: How a New Generation of Economists is Transforming the World." He is the producer of FreedomFest, the world's largest gathering of free minds, in Las Vegas every July (www.freedomfest.com).


TOPICS: Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: badmen; badpresident; bds; bho44; biggovernment; bush; bush4obama; bushlegacy; fakeconservatives; fascistbush; fedzilla; gopfailure; gopimplosion; gwb43; medicare; medicarepartd; miserablefailures; nochildleftbehind; obama; obamacare; policestatebush; rinobush; rinoparty; rinorove; rinos; rinos4obama; rove; socialistbush; statistbush; stupidbastards; thanksfornothingbush
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To: DoughtyOne

“As for the judges you mentioned, one of them was only appointed after we attacked Bush viciously for a laughable nomination he made in the first place.”

Roberts was his first pick and a great one.

“We would not be where we are today, if not for George Bush”

Yes... things could be better ... OR worse. Al Gore is an idiot and an exaggerator who thinks cars are more dangerous than nukes.
I kid you not, we’d be in a world of hurt if Gore was president on 9/11... then again, we might be right now in Mccain’s term ... how much fun would that be?


181 posted on 12/23/2009 2:14:33 PM PST by WOSG (OPERATION RESTORE AMERICAN FREEDOM - NOVEMBER, 2010 - DO YOUR PART!)
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To: WOSG

I can’t argue with any of that. I do believe we might have dodged the guy we have now if we would have bitten the bullet sooner. Who knows.

Still, defending Bush by throwing up Gore or Kerry doesn’t exactly instill respect for him.

We should have elevated a man who understood what Conservatism was. Look, if you can’t beat Gore or Kerry to a pulp at the polls as a Republican, something is seriously wrong.

We can add Obama to that list. Imagine us picking a worse candidate to go up against him. Our guy said, “I respect the Democrats, and you have nothing to fear from an Obama presidency.” And he’s still in the party, LOL.

We put up the wrong guy for three elections. We put off the inevitable for 12 years. And during this time, we have slid right down the toilet.

In 2012, it’s a Conservative or I fricken give up. It will have been 24 years by then. If we’re serious about saving this nation, it’s time to put up or shut up.

I’m going to be screaming bloody murder about it if someone acts like a RINO in any manner whatsoever too.


182 posted on 12/23/2009 2:24:13 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Good news. HC bill will not cover illegal aliens. Bad news. 20-35 million will become citizens.)
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To: sickoflibs

LOL!


183 posted on 12/23/2009 3:52:26 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINO's!)
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To: FromLori

So Obama is only a fascist dictator to fool the enemy.....LOL!


184 posted on 12/23/2009 3:58:56 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINO's!)
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To: DoughtyOne

“Still, defending Bush by throwing up Gore or Kerry doesn’t exactly instill respect for him.”

Sure it does. It perfectionism to compare Bush to some ideal that has yet to happen in our lifetimes and I guess never will.

“We should have elevated a man who understood what Conservatism was. “

Well, get 51% of the electorate to understand that and maybe we’ll get there some day.

“... We put up the wrong guy for three elections.”
It’s not like Ike, Dewey, Ford, Nixon or Wilkie or Hoover were any better. We put up the ‘wrong guy’ as a rule, and I suspect any of the 2008 top contenders would be ‘wrong guy’ by that metric. The only Presidents more conservative than GWB in my lifetime was Reagan ...

Merry Christmas.


185 posted on 12/23/2009 4:06:58 PM PST by WOSG (OPERATION RESTORE AMERICAN FREEDOM - NOVEMBER, 2010 - DO YOUR PART!)
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To: WOSG

I think you throw up a guy like McCain to make him look better. If you’ve got to go clear down the Gore and Kerry, you’ve really lowered the bar to do it.

I don’t need to remind you, that Bush could barely eek out a win over these two.

I agree that we have put many people where were not the Conservative they should have been. And in those days, perhaps it wasn’t quite so bad.

Today, we’re barely hanging on to our nation. We either start moving back to the right, or we’re going to be no better than the U.S.S.R.

Folks can laugh at that if they want, but this health care bill is going to bring out the demons in the government. Good luck.

I agree about Reagan.

Merry Christmas to you too. Hope you and your family have a great time.


186 posted on 12/23/2009 4:13:25 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Good news. HC bill will not cover illegal aliens. Bad news. 20-35 million will become citizens.)
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To: rabscuttle385
This is pretty weak. Bush is responsible because he cost the Republicans the election? Maybe in some cosmic way -- the same way that a lot of people and circumstances can be blamed for events.

But even a more conservative President (and was there was any other Republican around who could win the White House in 2001?) would have gotten in trouble when the economy tanked.

Sure, it would have been better if Bush had controlled spending and the deficit, but it was the mess in the financial markets that did the GOP in and brought Obama to power, and I doubt Skousen had a recipe to prevent that.

187 posted on 12/23/2009 4:14:45 PM PST by x
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To: DoughtyOne

“I think you throw up a guy like McCain to make him look better.” ... or I could have used Dole or GWB’s Dad.

Who’s better for 2008? Romney? I called Romney a smarter version of GWB, but many in FR think he’s Satan’s brother. Huck? A Huckster. Not a conservative. McCain won because there WAS no Reagan in the field. Real conservatives got single digits.

“I don’t need to remind you, that Bush could barely eek out a win over these two.”

True, but consider that a goofy uber-liberal like John Kerry getting 48% of the vote tells us a LOT about where most of the electorate has gone, not how bad Bush was (he actually ran a pretty good 2004 campaign and even 2000 it was difficult to win given the illusion of prosperity in 2000). That same electorate is REALLY who’s to blame for Obamacare - they voted for it!

“Today, we’re barely hanging on to our nation. We either start moving back to the right, or we’re going to be no better than the U.S.S.R.”

I hear ya on that... But let’s persevere. We have a country to save. We can never give up.


188 posted on 12/23/2009 4:27:29 PM PST by WOSG (OPERATION RESTORE AMERICAN FREEDOM - NOVEMBER, 2010 - DO YOUR PART!)
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To: death2tyrants
RE :”What poll numbers?

Polls were done every month, you never saw them??? Bush got Dems polled higher than Rs on national security by election day 2006(The ”Who do you trust more on National security .?” polls) . This was confirmed November 2006 although talk radio was telling listeners up until the election the polls were not accurate, that it would be another 2004. If listeners were smart they would have questioned this.

RE :” And how's Obama’s poll numbers been lately?

Are you changing the subject to Obama because you admit you were wrong about Bush? Isnt this a Bush thread?

189 posted on 12/23/2009 5:32:14 PM PST by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is spending you demand stupid")
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To: Stepan12; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; rabscuttle385; mkjessup; WOSG
RE :” The KOS kiddies and the DU are out in force today. It is all Bush's fault so let's absolve the Democrats in 2010. We don't want the Republican party of Bush to get more seats in congress now do we, eh?” (Stepan12’s response to Palin blaming Bush disaster for McCain's 2008 election loss)

We don't want the Republican party of Bush to get more seats in congress now do we, eh?” sounds alot like you are telling us to lie about Republicans to win an election. Instead of proving that Bush was really a success, you tie creating a fake Bush legacy (which no one will believe it's so silly) to winning election 2010. Here is a new idea not tried in 2006+2008 you havent considered, win on the truth.

You still didnt explain your text attacking Rab's sounding like you are attacking Palin too. She had to admit Bush eight years was a disaster because it is true.

190 posted on 12/23/2009 5:46:50 PM PST by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is spending you demand stupid")
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To: WOSG
Well, I guess you could use Dole or his dad, but I'm not convinced he comes off better with his dad.  Dole was just worn out by campaigning IMO.  That was a no go.  His dad was perhaps the best all around prepared candidate to run of the office, but he just couldn't keep his globalist wish list in his pocket.  The guy was simply brilliant when it came to foreign affairs, if only he could have turned that into a Conservative plus.  Alas, he just didn't get it.  Neither did his son, but his son didn't have the qualifications, or IMO the smarts.  His dad was quite a capable guy, even with a fairly pronounced charisma deficit.

McCain is more of a pronounced in your face leftist.  It's fairly clear Bush was no McCain.

If Romney had been voted in, we'd already have nationalized health care, and many on our side would have been jumping up and down with glee about it.  Look at the apologists for Bush, that swore his medication addition to Medicare was the best idea ever.  I tried to shoot that idea down, and it was like talking to a brick wall.  Our Republicans in Congress would have voted for it.  You'd have seen it praised here.  I kid you not.

In Reagan's day there wasn't a guy out there other than him.  He came along and the public fell in love with him.  The problem with the people who are decent men, is that the RNC will have nothing to do with them.  I know folks don't think that counts for much, but it's crucial to funding and promotion.  When Bush had $70 million in his war chest by October 1999, I knew we were in serious trouble.  He just walked in with it.  It was his for the taking.

Hunter is a very good man.  He's solid as a rock.  The problem is, the rest of the party elites won't give him the time of day.  He's on the record about immigration.  That's all they need to know.  When the illegals here now are legalized, this nation is done, the future of the race that built this nation is done.  The future of Europe is done.  By 2050 there won't be more than a few nations on earth where White European descendants have self rule. By 2100 it's iffy if any will.  The U.S. will lose that between 2035 and 2045.  And if you think things are bad now, you have no idea how those who have something, will be trashed for where they got it.  And their detractors will be making it up as they go.  The White kids in schools then, will have a miserable existence.

I'm not sure that you are right that the Gore and Kerry standing was a real message.  I don't think the nation particularly cared for another Bush.  His immigration and spending issues cost him.  I think it was the precursor to McCain.  Bush just didn't have the draw, and McCain didn't either.  We can't blame our ideology for the loss, if our ideology wasn't championed.  It really wasn't if we're honest with ourselves.  Then as Bush governed, it became very clear that both parties were big spenders and an analog of each other.  Yes there are differences, but the core values weren't talk about, implemented, or anything.  When it came time for Bush to leave office, the public hadn't seen a Conservative in years, so why look for one to vote for.  McCain was as good as anyone, why not.  It didn't matter.  It hadn't mattered for years.

Let me revert for a moment here.  Bush was a no go for me from the start.  He didn't have to ability to develop a speech.  His words were incessantly garbled to the point it sounded like he had two marbles in his mouth for eight years.  He was forever stumbling over his delivery.  Letterman came up with Bush clips every stinking day.  Day after day after day after day, Bush looked like a total buffoon.  Nobody wanted to hear it.  Nobody accepted it.  And you know what, he just couldn't draw support.  It cost us at the election booth.  It cost us on policy.  He just didn't have what it took.  You know, you can work well in your own state.  Folks support you.  When you move out into the other 49 states, you have to have something going on.  All governors would like to be president.  It's very few that actually convert that desire to hold the office.  Bush just barely pulled it off.  Gore and Kerry were both consummate losers.  They still are.  Their laughing stocks to this day.  They have all the stature of a we blanket.

You're claiming that the electorate is to blame.  I will agree, but only if that electorate is fed solid Conservative principles about the size of government, our founding documents, sound fiscal policy, allowing families to keep more of their money, and a host of things that Conservatives believe in.  If our guy doesn't champion these things clearly and concisely for public consumption then it's just not reasoned to say our policies were turned down.  No they weren't.

“Today, we're barely hanging on to our nation. We either start moving back to the right, or we're going to be no better than the U.S.S.R.”

I hear ya on that... But let’s persevere. We have a country to save. We can never give up.


Well, we'll never turn back to the right if our leaders refuse to push Conservative principles.  We'll never turn back to the right if we back people who don't champion the ideals of the right, then implement them when they gain power.  We tried the Bush route.  We tried the McCain route.  It's time to nominate and elect a person who can actually articulate Conservatism, and implement it across the playing field.

No more RINOs. No more bumbling.  We need to bring our A game.

I appreciate your responses, and I'm sorry if this is too long winded, or rubs you the wrong way.

191 posted on 12/23/2009 5:46:56 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Good news. HC bill will not cover illegal aliens. Bad news. 20-35 million will become citizens.)
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To: sickoflibs

You might want to review my 191. It plays in.


192 posted on 12/23/2009 5:48:32 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Good news. HC bill will not cover illegal aliens. Bad news. 20-35 million will become citizens.)
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To: DoughtyOne

nice pile of BS ...too bad its not reality


193 posted on 12/23/2009 5:56:25 PM PST by woofie
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To: woofie

Nice try Woofie.

Before he was elected, you folks couldn’t be honest and wouldn’t let us be.

After he was elected, you folks couldn’t be honest and wouldn’t let us be.

When it was time for him to go up for re-election, you folks couldn’t be honest and wouldn’t let us be.

When he was re-elected, you folks couldn’t be honest and wouldn’t let us be.

And now that he’s out of office, you folks still can’t be honest and won’t let us be.

You have my deepest sympathy Woofie. Reality is a bitch, when folks won’t shut up about it, and I won’t.


194 posted on 12/23/2009 6:00:30 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Good news. HC bill will not cover illegal aliens. Bad news. 20-35 million will become citizens.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Can you explain Dick Cheney or was he too “not a real conservative”?


195 posted on 12/23/2009 6:03:18 PM PST by woofie
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To: woofie

Dick Cheney was president? Wow. Hey Woofie thank you. I really slipped up. Could you please tell me what his term was and which number he was in the succession of Presidents.

Yes, Cheney did make some speeches, but if you’re going to try to pass him off as the top of the ticket, and therefore Bush didn’t have to address Conservatism in all it’s splendor, or implement cost reductions, and other Conservative measures, then I’m going to call B.S. on you.


196 posted on 12/23/2009 6:07:14 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Good news. HC bill will not cover illegal aliens. Bad news. 20-35 million will become citizens.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Most powerful VP ever....Better come out of your utopian cloud


197 posted on 12/23/2009 6:09:37 PM PST by woofie
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To: DoughtyOne; WOSG; stephenjohnbanker; rabscuttle385; mkjessup; Impy; MaggieCarta; AuntB

This is not about who voted for who. Voters picked Bush over Kerry as the lesser of two evils, and then picked Obama over the soiled Republican brand as the lesser of two evils (I know that sounds silly now but it actually made sense.) But we dont get good choices, the debates are jokes, candidates never answer questions and rarely tell the truth. Both Obama and McCain promised us all goodies no pain, but Obama was selected to “put up”.

The Bush Truth watch is about the future. Something went very wrong. Opinions are all over the place on what he did wrong: from nothing, to everything. (I am closer to the latter.)

We cannot elect a Republican president who will keep a single purpose ‘to oppose Democrats’. It doesnt work that way. They will want to fix things. They will want to compromise to get things passed. So we need to know how they would have done things different.


198 posted on 12/23/2009 6:11:16 PM PST by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is spending you demand stupid")
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To: woofie

Woofie, I think he was the most powerful V.P. ever. I might even go so far as to say the best ever. I like Cheney. It still doesn’t make up for the President allowing the national deficit to go up 87% under his tenure. It’s doesn’t make big spending okay, even if Congress is tasked with it. It doesn’t make implementing “Great Society” programs a good thing to do. It doesn’t excuse Bush taking a pass on fixing the economic problem that was ticking away, while he had a Republican Congress.

Look, we passed off a terrible situation. I can’t stand here and act as if I’m being honest, if I don’t honestly address it.

Yes Obama has made things worse, but things were on the slippery slope when he took over.

Look, I didn’t blame Reagan when the economy was tough for two years after he took over. Carter handed off a miserable situation. In some ways it was worse then this situation, but in other important real tangible ways, it wasn’t as bad.


199 posted on 12/23/2009 6:17:01 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Good news. HC bill will not cover illegal aliens. Bad news. 20-35 million will become citizens.)
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To: sickoflibs

Thanks for the comments. I still say we can’t sell Conservatism, if we don’t have Conservative salesmen in the field. Either we merchandise our beliefs or our beliefs die.


200 posted on 12/23/2009 6:20:32 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Good news. HC bill will not cover illegal aliens. Bad news. 20-35 million will become citizens.)
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