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1 posted on 12/21/2009 10:05:54 AM PST by NewJerseyJoe
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I link to that quote every chance I get. And regarding that “too early to shoot the bastards” part. I keep asking, “if not now, when?”

That is, when IS it time to take the lead from our founding fathers. I personally don’t have an answer to that. I can only say “not today” and I have no future date in mind. It is not about future dates, it is about future government actions. But I don’t want to be the frog slowly boiled alive either.

I think the results of the 2010 elections will hold the key. I honestly believed (and still do) that if Obama had lost there would have been the most serious urban rioting in the history of the US. If Democrats stay in power in 2010, there may be active resistence from the other side, and they have a lot more self sufficient within their ranks, not to mention NRA members. They will take our founding fathers as their template.


2 posted on 12/21/2009 10:11:45 AM PST by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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But if you pot a bureaucrat figuring it’ll light some fire under the cold, dead butts of a complacent nation … good luck.

The overall point is probably valid. But I'm on record saying that I support anyone -- crazy or not -- who tries to take a stand and fight the government. They all have it coming.

3 posted on 12/21/2009 10:12:46 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Macbeth is ripe for shaking, and the powers above put on their instruments.)
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We’ve raised our alert and preparedness to the equivalent of DEFCON 2. 72 hour kits packed and ready. I advise the rest of you to do the same. Except, of course, for all those who are still whisting past the graveyard of this once-free Republic in the vain hope that your vote and your letters and your phone calls and your emails still count for something. Didn’t you just get an object lesson on that?

And for those of you with no lines in the sand, no limit on the amount of servitude you’re willing to accept - don’t you bother, either.

So, for the rest of us - the three percenters - keep your combat / E&E kits within easy reach. Keep your skills sharp. You’re going to need them.


4 posted on 12/21/2009 10:14:18 AM PST by Noumenon (Work that AQT - turn ammunition into skill. No tyrant can maintain a 300 yard perimeter forever.)
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Some are predicting a second American Civil War.
5 posted on 12/21/2009 10:16:20 AM PST by Bon mots
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A fate worse than Death. De-Fund the Bastards. Tax Revolt.


7 posted on 12/21/2009 10:17:11 AM PST by screaminsunshine (!!)
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It was time the first day the first court upheld the first blatantly unconstitutional law for the sake of political expediency.

Takes you all the way back to 1804 or so.

8 posted on 12/21/2009 10:19:57 AM PST by Huck (The Constitution is an outrageous insult to the men who fought the Revolution." -Patrick Henry)
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“But neither — lately — has anything catastrophic — just the usual crawl toward total government domination. “

Huh?

When was this written?


9 posted on 12/21/2009 10:20:00 AM PST by Pessimist (u)
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I believe that any random acts of violence will be self-defeating, and I’m opposed to them.


10 posted on 12/21/2009 10:20:40 AM PST by popdonnelly (Yes, we disagree - no, we won't shut up - no, we won't quit.)
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To: NewJerseyJoe

This looks to have been written in 2000.


11 posted on 12/21/2009 10:23:12 AM PST by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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Liberty will continue to erode, but not so fast we’ll jump out of the boiling pot.
23 posted on 12/21/2009 10:37:23 AM PST by BenLurkin
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For me, I am not ready to “shoot the bastards”. I am for non-violent civil disobedience...national strike, closing government like the capitol building, etc. I think the ‘magic’ moment if it is reached will be within a couple years. Let’s pray that we don’t need to go there and vow to work hard in non-violent means to achieve success. The founding fathers were brilliant in their design of our governmental system. We can literally have a non violent revolution and replace those in power. We will need to go beyond that this time though and get rid of the lock on education, unions, legal system, etc. that the democrats have made.


28 posted on 12/21/2009 10:41:23 AM PST by Wpin (I do not regret my admiration for W)
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It is interesting that you can’t find a single picture of Carl Drega on the internet...

You think they are trying to keep the right from creating Che Guevara like T-shirts out of his image?


34 posted on 12/21/2009 10:48:15 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied, the economy died)
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While everyone is trying to figure out which Americans they want to kill, be sure and remember to not choose the military recruitment offices and military bases, another anti government group has already claimed dibs on those Americans for killing.

Maybe you guys can find some other unarmed government employees to gun down.

Remember that while you can’t always win elections and legislative battles in a free nation, you can always become the kind of guy that murders people that were not expecting it.


37 posted on 12/21/2009 10:49:46 AM PST by ansel12 (Traitor Earl Warren's court 1953-1969, libertarian hero, anti social conservative warrior.)
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ping


61 posted on 12/21/2009 11:30:52 AM PST by papertyger (Representation without taxation is tyranny!)
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Indiscriminate killing isn’t the answer. There must be purpose, objectives, and overall strategy. Killing a few meat inspectors doesn’t break the chains of tyranny.


67 posted on 12/21/2009 11:39:41 AM PST by CSA Rebel
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Bump.


83 posted on 12/21/2009 12:06:44 PM PST by ctdonath2 (It from fit.)
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We must not start the shooting. That doesn’t mean we sit back and do nothing. I believe we need to PREVENT the Senate from making the decision to enslave us. We arrive at the Capitol in large numbers and armed. If the government decides to start a war with its people, it will be their move. If the feds start shooting, THEN it is time shoot back and everyone else knows the time to shoot has come.


84 posted on 12/21/2009 12:06:51 PM PST by BubbaBasher ("Liberty will not long survive the total extinction of morals" - Sam Adams)
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To: NewJerseyJoe; All; Noumenon
“The problem … [is] that our chemical castration is so gradual that there can NEVER be a majority consensus that this is finally the right time to respond in force

The tragic falsehood being almost subliminally propagated is that a "majority" is required or even desirable before individuals may be morally justified to take righteous action. This is the lie of the enemy, that democracy is morality. It is not. It is merely more people than not agreeing to make the same mistake.

I reject this notion as cowardly and deceptive.

God made me an individual, and put me in the only nation in history which held the individual to be the supreme and only governor of the tyranny of both rulers and the mob.

It is my responsibility and honor to act individually toward greater freedom and personal sovereignty, even if I am the only man on Earth doing so.

I will not wait for a leader. I will not wait for a majority. I will not wait for a Tea Party or a Constitution Party or any other gathering or "critical mass" of those whose convictions and sense of propriety are as violated as my own.

I will act in the shadows. I will act in silence. I will act now. I will act alone.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

100 posted on 12/21/2009 12:37:17 PM PST by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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Ammunition sales hit record high in first year of Obama administration, for a reason.
122 posted on 12/21/2009 1:24:24 PM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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BTTT


129 posted on 12/21/2009 2:36:58 PM PST by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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