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1 posted on 12/20/2009 10:44:00 AM PST by Admin Moderator
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This could be very expensive if a few more senators start having "second thoughts" after seeing the bribe Nelson got for his vote.
2 posted on 12/20/2009 10:45:13 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Gore is the fifth horseman of the apocalypse. He rides an icy horse bringing cold wherever he goes.)
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Any federal version of health care is unconstitutional since Article 1 Section 8 does not specifically grant Congress the power to regulate health care. The people are not bound by any unconstitutional act of Congress. It is time for civil disobedience. Pass it on.


5 posted on 12/20/2009 10:49:31 AM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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Where’s the link?

Why isn’t this marked Vanity?

Where are the Mods?


6 posted on 12/20/2009 10:49:42 AM PST by jessduntno ("The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground.")
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No offense, but are you sure? I thought once there are 60 votes to end debate that all the following votes (the Senate bill and then the Conference Committee’s final bill) only required simple majorities?


7 posted on 12/20/2009 10:50:34 AM PST by moose2004 (Stand up, speak out and stop Obamacare and GE)
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Reid would use the nuke option if it came down to it.


9 posted on 12/20/2009 10:51:36 AM PST by aynrandfreak (Being a Democrat means never having to say you're sorry)
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Getting tired of the vanities, so I’ve alerted a mod.

IBTZ


12 posted on 12/20/2009 10:52:05 AM PST by AAABEST (And the light shineth in darkness: and the darkness did not comprehend it)
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bttt


21 posted on 12/20/2009 10:56:39 AM PST by rdl6989 (January 20, 2013 The end of an error.)
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Unless the House just decides to pass the Senate version directly.


31 posted on 12/20/2009 11:04:56 AM PST by XEHRpa
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What’s with the 1AM voting scheme?

Congress/Senate never did it before?
Normally they are less than eager to even show up for “work” on weekdays.

Some scheme to get the “vampire” vote? Those who simply can’t be active when the sun is up?


32 posted on 12/20/2009 11:05:02 AM PST by OldArmy52 (The German High Command sent Lenin to destabilize Russia. Who sent Obama?)
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Hmmm.... 60... Is this or who they are afraid of?

Scott Brown (R) running for Teddy the Swimmers Seat, election day is 01/19/2010.

IMHO they need to get this done before that date if this guy wins, or they are toast. His posing in Cosmo in 82' ain't gonna help, but maybe in MA that is a resume enhancer. Look, he is not perfect, but what if the Senate's Internals are so bad even a Republican has a shot in Massachuetts?

Any thoughts? Especially from MA Freepers...


35 posted on 12/20/2009 11:08:00 AM PST by taildragger (Palin/Mulally 2012)
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Senate still needs 60 votes for cloture on Obamacare even after House-Senate "conference"

I'll send a firm email to Klobuchar and Franken!

Yeah, that'll make a difference.

48 posted on 12/20/2009 11:33:48 AM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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This IS and important point. Unless the House accepts the Senate bill without change another round of voting will be required by the Senate.

This includes another cloture vote. So the changes that may be made to the bill via the House-Senate conference are very important. Neither Reid or Pelosi can allow those changes to upset significant numbers of their party. In Reid's case he has essentially no room for error unless he has some magic, possibly black, that might entice Collins or Snowe back on his team. That could happen but seems unlikely.

So I predict, or least expect, a big push by the Big O and the Big Pee to have the House accept the Senate version. That would whisk it right off to Mr. Chicago for his signature.

But...

Tain't ova til is's ova.

50 posted on 12/20/2009 11:39:26 AM PST by InterceptPoint
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The Senate needs 60 votes? Ha! Not with the communist Democrats in charge! The rules don’t exist when the communists are in charge.


51 posted on 12/20/2009 11:40:10 AM PST by StormEye
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I would like to believe this, but....

I have this sinking feeling that Pelosi, despite howls from the moonbats, will accept the Senate bill as is. IOW, the "conference committee" will simply change the House bill to match the Senate bill exactly.

Do I understand this right? If that happens doesn't it mean that the Senate doesn't have to do anything further at all? The "new" version gets voted on by the House, and then straight to 0's desk?

56 posted on 12/20/2009 12:03:25 PM PST by Stultis (Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia; Democrats always opposed waterboarding as torture)
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If liberals fought FOR the US as much as they fight against it, nothing could stop us.


62 posted on 12/20/2009 12:49:37 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny (ALSO SPRACH ZEROTHUSTRA)
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Question:

They are using Article 1 Sect 8 “Congress shall have Power to lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States...” as the premise for constitutionality of the health care bill.

How is rationing of health care contributing to the “general welfare” of the United States?

Doesn’t rationing contribute to the general decline of the citizens of the United States?


64 posted on 12/20/2009 1:08:09 PM PST by Texas56
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From the article: "It appears that any of the changes wanted by House liberals to move the bill to the left could shatter Reid's fragile coalition in the Senate. It will be fascinating to see if the Dems will be able to thread what looks to be one of the smallest needles ever."

Praying for one of those Tower of Babel moments...

65 posted on 12/20/2009 1:15:34 PM PST by Aracelis
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Thank you!


67 posted on 12/20/2009 1:46:17 PM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Joe Wilson said "You lie!" in a room full of 500 politicians. Who was he talking about?)
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IBTZ


97 posted on 12/20/2009 4:40:36 PM PST by hennie pennie
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If we can stall for 10 1/2 months, according to Colorado law, because he was appointed, Michael Bennet loses his seat immediately upon certification of next November's election (and Bennet is going to BURN). No more 60.
106 posted on 12/21/2009 10:38:55 PM PST by cookcounty (“HOAX and CHEnge” ......Obama's beret comes into clear view.)
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