Posted on 12/19/2009 8:42:15 AM PST by MaestroLC
Politico reports:
Sen. Mary Landrieu got the "Louisiana Purchase." Sen. Ben Nelson got the federal government to pick up most his state's future Medicaid tab -- forever.As part of the deal to win Nelson's support, the federal government will fund Nebraska's new Medicaid recipients. It's a provision worth about $45 million over the first decade.
Also from John McCormack...
Nelson Agrees to Abortion Funding in at Least 13 States?
Harry Reid has released the manager's amendment that Ben Nelson has reportedly agreed to vote for, meaning that the Senate bill has 60 votes. The abortion language includes the phony segregation of funding language that was rejected in the House. It would allow individual states to opt out of the abortion-funding program--in other words, the default position is to pay for abortions; states would have to pass legislation to not fund abortions. But states where public abortion-funding is mandated by state court rulings would be required to pay for abortions:
‘‘(1) NO PREEMPTION OF STATE LAWS REGARDING ABORTION.—Nothing in this Act shall be construed to preempt or otherwise have any effect on State laws regarding the prohibition of (or requirement of) coverage, funding, or procedural requirements on abortions, including parental notification or consent for the performance of an abortion on a minor.
There are 13 states where the state supreme court has required public abortion funding according to this map from the ACLU (assuming it's up to date). Four states have decided through their legislatures to pay for Medicaid abortions. So Ben Nelson is going to allow federal tax dollars to pay for abortions in California and New York?
The argument that there’s no difference between the two parties, and those that buy it, are key reasons we will have Obamacare by Ground Hog day.
“Good thing we didn’t vote that McCain in.” You can keep saying that on the way to the re-education camp. Our children are going to pay for this political temper tantrum many on the right have directed at our own.
If you’re on the right and you failed to vote in the last election, you are as guilty for this travesty as Ben Nelson.
I did not say there was no difference between the parties, just that there is scant difference between them. The difference between the Democrats and Republicans is akin to the difference between Bosheviks and Mensheviks - a modest distinction in degree, but none in basic premises.
You may shuffle onto the cattle cars for a camp if you wish, but if it ever reaches such point I will be out killing the enemy. Masada is better than Buchenwald if we are to lose, and I actually think we could destroy them root and branch if it gets to this point.
I choked on my vomit and voted for Bush MkI, who I thought was a fraud. I was right that he was a fraud. I choked on my vomit again and voted for him twice, as the lesser fraud, but he was too feeble to win. I choked on my vomit and voted for Dole, who I thought was a no hoper and a beltway opportunist. I was right, and he was stomped with ease, and he has since capitalized on his beltway access and flaccidity. I was queasy voting for Bush Mk II, as I thought he was a light weight and a poseur, but I was hoping I was wrong. Again I was right, and like his father he was and is simply another socially liberal utopian globalist. I choked on my vomit and voted for Bush MkII again however, as I felt he was less disastrous than his disgusting, Cong collaborating, lying opponent. Bush managed to destroy the Republican majority with his support for amnesty, nation building in Islamic cesspits, federalized school programs and giveaways to Third World parasite nations. I was able to reconcile myself to McCain because of his service record and his selection of Palin as VP, and because Obama’s opposition to BAIPA told me all I ever needed to know about BHO. McCain lost because he ran a weak campaign and did not advance a conservative platform, and he had to drag around his liberal legislative record.
Don’t lecture me about supporting the odds, sods, and frauds that the GOP has been advancing as candidates for most of my life. I have voted for the pukes, contributed money to the pukes, and volunteered for the pukes, but my patience nears its end.
Oh yeah. I voted for Reagan twice. The GOP hated him.
He was a good man.
Hasn't Nelson and that La Senator accepted a bribe to vote for this deathcare bill? I thought the giving and accepting a bribe made each guilty of bribery.
| The Equal Protection Clause, part of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, provides that "no state shall ... deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws". This applies to the Federal Government as well. The Nelson concession is unconstitutional in that it discriminates against non-Nebraskans! |
Their record of selling out is why they are an ineffectual minority.
B U M P
If that were true, then this would have passed both houses and on Obama's desk last June.
Fact is, this bill is being dragged out and fought every inch of the way. And it is because the American people know exactly what is going on, what is in these bills, and have uniformly rejected it. Politicians know it too (but 60 do care...at least at this present time).
This is not a slam dunk, fait accompli by any stretch.
What about LIEberman? Was anyone under the delusion he would remain a no vote? He’s a spineless bowl of jello too.
Wrong. It will only need a simple majority to pass once it comes out of conference. You actually believe that the socialist/marxists won't come to an agreement on how to inch their way towards universal health care? It may be a watered down bill, but it will be easily amended in future bills.
Now that there is no chance of a filibuster, the only things left is lawsuits regarding the outrageous unConstitutional requirement that the uninsured buy health insurance. The other is:
The Double D strategy may be our only option short of the AR strategy. And even the first "D" of the DD strategy may be moot because the 'rats appear not to need our tax dollars anymore to implement their schemes. They simply raise the debt ceiling and print more money.
Unless people get off their rears and actually go vote in the primaries next year things are not going to change, the general election will be too late, the message has to be sent in the primaries and more then 8 - 10% HAVE to show up to vote... we could start by having people actually show in January in MA to vote for the GOP candidate for Kennedy’s seat.
There’s another ‘reality’ to consider. Obama & the Dems need to pass a healthcare bill. They’ll continue to gut provisions until they get something that will pass. To do otherwise is to concede defeat in the mid-terms and consign the rest of Obama’s presidency to the ash heap.
It’s a fight worth having. The longer the debate can be stretched, the more that will be stripped out. But, in the end, we need to realize that something is gonna pass.
Once a bill emerges from conference, you can't change them. No amendments are allowed. Nor is there time for debate.
You vote for the bill, you vote against the bill, or you filibuster the bill.
Those are your options.
Once a rat bastard, always a rat bastard.
Very true. But the staggering price Nelson demanded and so publicly got is a game changer, imho. I'd wager some of the already-bought senators are now rethinking their prices. Even Landrieu, whose buy-off was outrageous, must be thinking she got screwed.
Reid may have secured his 60 with the deal with Nelson, but I'd be very surprised if that's still good. My bet is that the deal with Nelson lost him at least 5 sure-votes and the demands are piling up deeper than the snow in DC.
Okay, how many of us are willing to take a vow of poverty, live under the poverty level, give the majority of our income to educating the masses on prenatal murder? We’ve already sold our souls, have we not? Just saying.
Nebraska taxpayers, like taxpayers everywhere, will be paying for abortions. Just not abortions conducted in Nebraska.
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find only things evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelogus
If there is no debate allowed, there is nothing to filibuster. A filibuster is a debate, and in the Senate it takes 60 votes to cut off debate. If there is no debate, there is nothing to vote to cut off.
This bill has already passed the House. Although not as a health care bill. They will have the same choice when it comes out of conference committee as Senators, vote for it, or vote against it. It will have much of what the House wants in it by that time, but not so much as not to get 50 votes in the Senate.
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