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Climategate: we won the battle, but at Copenhagen we just lost the war
Telegraph.co.uk ^ | December 18th, 2009 | James Delingpole

Posted on 12/18/2009 6:17:01 AM PST by bogusname

Copenhagen has been a disaster for the free world and hardly anyone seems to have noticed.

We have been distracted by the sweet schadenfreude as the event was overshadowed by the Climategate scandal at the beginning, and the Russian bombshell at the end.

And by our delight in seeing the many business interests of the IPCC ’s jet-setting chairman Dr Rajendra Pachauri cruelly exposed.

And by the told-you-so satisfaction of seeing it proved beyond all reasonable doubt that the “scientific” process informing the IPCC’s increasingly hysterical reports is corrupt, fraudulent and politically motivated.

And by the irony of the snow beginning to fall on a conference whose ostensible purpose was to prevent global warming.

And by the sheer messy incompetence of the whole affair, with its riots, shambolic organisation and brutality whose victims including Lord Monckton.

But if we think the events of the last fortnight marked a triumph for commonsense over hair shirt green lunacy, we are sadly deluding ourselves. Copenhagen was never about winning or losing a scientific argument. And it wasn’t, as even green campaigners have begun belatedly to realise, about “saving” the environment either...

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: capandtrade; climategate; cop15; copenhagen; globalcooling; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; goreeffect
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1 posted on 12/18/2009 6:17:01 AM PST by bogusname
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To: bogusname

A world wide welfare system was proposed by Senator Obama long ago, it was always one of his goals.


2 posted on 12/18/2009 6:21:00 AM PST by GeronL
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To: wolf24
they expect “denial” to be made a crime in at least European country in the next two years with mass trials to be held somewhere in Belgium

Welcome to the 14th century.

4 posted on 12/18/2009 6:25:20 AM PST by paulycy (Demand Constitutionality.)
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To: GeronL

A logic trap for conversations with leftists:

“What would be the minimum amount of manmade CO2 contribution to global warming where you’d want to implement the proposed solutions?”

If they say there is no minimum, then you can go on to discuss the huge tax increases, reduction in lifestyle and freedom of choice, and the population control that they want implemented regardless of the “crisis”. In other words, Global Warming never was the issue - Global Socialism was always the issue.

If they give you a minimum, it will be above the actual contribution of 0.117%. So then, you can say “so now we don’t have to implement all the solutions they’re proposing, right?” If the answer is “we should do it anyway”, refer to the above paragraph.


5 posted on 12/18/2009 6:30:58 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: bogusname
The money shot is at the end:

Richard North has spotted this, even if virtually nobody else has. The key point, he notes, is the Copenhagen negotiators’ little-publicised decision to save the Kyoto Protocol. This matters because it was at Kyoto that the mechanisms for establishing a global carbon market were established. Carbon trading could not possibly exist without some form of agreement between all the world’s governments on emissions: the market would simply collapse. By keeping Kyoto alive, the sinister troughers of global corporatism have also kept their cash cow alive.

As North says:

This is nothing to do with the headline billions and all the rest. Nope, the deal is that the Kyoto Protocol is saved – which is what all the fuss was really about. That safeguards the carbon market and opens the way for it to expand to the $2-trillion level by the year 2020. Against that, even €100 billion is chump-change – you can buy countries with that sort of money.


6 posted on 12/18/2009 6:34:11 AM PST by EternalVigilance (Partisans only for principle. - America's Independent Party - AIPNews.com)
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To: bogusname

Even though its a fraud, full speed ahead anyway.


7 posted on 12/18/2009 6:34:30 AM PST by Overtaxed Patriot (Lock and load.)
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To: MrB

Or what is the optimum temperature?

Because it was warmer 500 years ago, when Greenland was green.


8 posted on 12/18/2009 6:34:30 AM PST by GeronL
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To: GeronL
I think most GW sheep would probably not believe the 0.117% contribution, because they've been indoctrinated to believe that human CO2 contribution is the biggest driver of global warming.

A closer look at the numbers

10 posted on 12/18/2009 6:37:06 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: bogusname

Good news - just received a breaking news email from FOX- India and Chia have walked out of the talks at Copenhagen:)


11 posted on 12/18/2009 6:37:15 AM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: wolf24
They will get their power come hell, high water, or any other revelations about faked data or fraudulent behavior.

They will certainly try - no holds barred.

We can only hope to get our own country back and keep the rest of the garbage at bay.

12 posted on 12/18/2009 6:37:54 AM PST by paulycy (Demand Constitutionality.)
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To: SE Mom

On Fox...Thanks!


13 posted on 12/18/2009 6:38:41 AM PST by bogusname (Banish All Liberals)
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To: SE Mom
India and Chia have walked out of the talks at Copenhagen

Seriously? No sarc tag?

Heee heee heeeee!!!!!

14 posted on 12/18/2009 6:38:53 AM PST by paulycy (Demand Constitutionality.)
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To: Overtaxed Patriot
Even though its a fraud, full speed ahead anyway.

There's money to be made!!!

15 posted on 12/18/2009 6:40:59 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: bogusname
This was one of the comments from a UK reader:

The next *strategic* campaign will nto be fought against climate change deniers, CO2, or even airlines; nope, a more general, constricting and restricting campaign is taking shape to limit freedom to publish and communicate online. We just *know* this is coming.

it will come in many guises – from copyright protection to preventing

The Internet helped break the climate-gate story. The push to stop the flow of information is coming.

16 posted on 12/18/2009 6:41:06 AM PST by opentalk
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To: paulycy

What’s ridiculous about this whole thing is that I am actually rooting for Russia and China.


17 posted on 12/18/2009 6:41:50 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: GeronL

Obama: ‘Time for talk is over’

Gee, this is a recurring them with this despot. THE TIME FOR TALK IS OVER.

The time for talk is OVER?????

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1209/30774.html


18 posted on 12/18/2009 6:43:02 AM PST by silverleaf (More folks being invited to the White House for Holiday parties than are being sent to Afghanistan)
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To: SE Mom

You mean, in one week, Barry has been dissed by China, India - and 12 US bankers with cajones?


19 posted on 12/18/2009 6:44:33 AM PST by silverleaf (More folks being invited to the White House for Holiday parties than are being sent to Afghanistan)
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To: dfwgator
What’s ridiculous about this whole thing is that I am actually rooting for Russia and China.

Me too! Unbelievable!

The Messiah - you know, The 0ne with the "gift" - is having one hell of a bad day if this and Iran/Iraq brouhaha are both true. Not to mention the healthcare meltdown.

BWA-HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

20 posted on 12/18/2009 6:45:13 AM PST by paulycy (Demand Constitutionality.)
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