Winchester to Deliver 200 Million 40-Cal. Rounds to Homeland Security

Gun Reports ^ | 12/14/2009 | Gun Reports

[The Magical Mischief Tour]

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Winchester Ammunition was recently awarded a contract by the Immigration, Customs and Enforcement (ICE) division of the Department of Homeland Security to supply a maximum of 200 million, 40 cal. rounds over the next five years.

The load selected for this contract is a 135-grain, hollow point designed for the office of Field Operations of Customs and Border Protection. It will fall under the Winchester Ranger line.

[RepublicanMeansAmerican]

The Sig p250 is one platform, multiple calibers too, though one changes a “modular” assembly instead of barrels (if I understand it correctly) Now if they would get all those calibers back in stock at my local WalMart!

[Travis McGee]

They have surprising delivery of kinetic energy

Pretty much all centerfire bullets do, fired point blank at the back of a kneeling prisoner's skull.

[mylife]

Why? I shoots flat at 75 feet It hits like a brick.

I like 45 but it drops 6 in at 25 feet

[Travis McGee]

The following is a public service announcement.

Here's my tip of the month: there is still a great pistol and ammo deal out there waiting for you. If you have waited too long to arm up, or if you want one more, look at the excellent milsurp CZ-52 pistol and 7.62X25 Tokarev ammo.

You can get a CZ-52 for about $200 at any gun show or at many gun stores. You can also find them by googling around the internet. The ammo can be had for as low as 11 cents a bullet in any quantity you want. Extra mags are from $12 to $20 each.

The milsurp ammo is full metal jacket, firing an 85gr bullet at 1,600fps. These will go through car doors, kevlar helmets, kevlar vests etc like an icepick through butter. OTOH, they will also go through one bad guy and maybe hit a good guy behind him.

However, you can buy hollowpoints ("Wolf Gold" with brass shells) for about $19/50, or half the price of comparable 9mm JHPs. My test "Wolf Gold" JHP ammo expanded to .60 caliber, the same as my test 9mm JHPs.

So for $400, you could buy a CZ-52, 1,500 rounds of assorted ammo, and a few extra mags. OR, you could buy about 2/3s of a "brand name" pistol, and no ammo.

It's just a thought. This is a great bargain. The ammo is cheap and plentiful at all of the internet catalog sites. Don't wait, the libtards will soon slam the door on foreign gun and ammo imports, and the prices will go way up.

Another benefit of this pistol is that it is very accurate, with very fine sights. WIth this flat-shooting ammo, you can hit at 100 yards with ease. Downsides are brittle firing pins (buy a spare, and don't dry fire) and a decocking function that you should not trust. Just lower the SA hammer like a 1911. The safety works like a 1911, so if you are used to 1911s, it will be very easy to use the CZ-52

[Mom MD]

Again, that makes sense for concealed carry on the body. Most of the time, my purse is where I carry, which allows me to have the larger gun without difficulty. As I get more guns I will likely purchase a smaller 9mm next for just the reasons you state.
I like the Springfield - fits my hand better than the Glock, but wouldn’t say no to either one!

[piytar]

A high end riding (motorcycle) jacket? After all, they are designed to limit road rash at 35 or higher mph. Would prob stop a .22 cold and render a standard 9mm round painful but not lethal.

That said, at least the proper 9mm round will cut through such a jacket like butter and still deliver terminal (ie killing) energy to the person.

[BOBWADE]

I think there is a plant in Illinois

[I cannot think of a name]

That pretty much points out what's been known for a long time - a .357 Sig or .357 magnum from a wheel gun is devastating, as is the good old flying ash tray 230 grain .45. The 230 grain .45 does kick a bit in one of the smaller .45s (like the S&W 457 I carry).

On the other hand, you can also get good performance with small and faster than heck (which is why the .357 is so good). Wish they'd shown the 115 grain 9mm CorBon as well as the 165 grain .45 CorBon. They are both impressive.

[mylife]

Well yeah, even a subsonic 22 will.

[GBA]

You can do the same thing with the Sig P250, though it will cost a bunch more money. You can also change the grips on the P250 for a good fit. And, go from sub-compact to compact to full size...or at least, you will be able to some day.

[right.talker]

I bought one of these a few years ago. It’s still one of my favorites... Nice tight groups and fairly cheap to shoot.

[Travis McGee]

There are tons of way cool pics and info on this page I googled up.

Frankly, I would rather prefer not to be hit by ANY of these!

They go with the geletin pics I posted above, from the same source article.

"Best Choices for Self Defense Ammo"

http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/index.htm

[Mom MD]

I have not had a problem getting .40 at my favorite shop. However, ammo of any caliber has been difficult to find at most sporting goods stores and more popular places. At times you cannot be too picky about the grains, but practice rounds have been easy to replace.

[Travis McGee]

The CZ-52 is the only one I can afford to shoot enough! 1,300 round sealed “spam cans” cost only about $150, delivered.

[I cannot think of a name]

I’ve put a couple of firing pins through mine and now fire it sparingly. Many people have offered reasons why they keep breaking, most saying it’s because it was designed to fire “hard” primers and all of those available are too soft.

I’ve seen “improved” firing pins advertised in Shotgun News. Any experience with them?

[mylife]

Ya gotta love em. pocket carbines

And the simplest field strip procedure ever invented.
I love Czech guns, beer and women LoL

[o_zarkman44]

I wrote down the info. gun show coming up Jan 2nd-3.
I think I may just get one if I can swing it.
What is the magazine capacity?

I am pretty well stocked up on 40S&W. I need another option.
I know the rounds are relatively inexpensive right now. But how good will they reload if I was considering buying dies for a reloader?

[mylife]

just dont dry fire it.

I shoot the crap out of 3 of them and have never broke a pin.

I do have broken pins on a Star BM and a Chinese Mauser C96
Best call Numerich.

[HiramQuick]

A FMJ is torture .. without hitting any major organs, arteries it tends to enter with a little hole and go straight through, exiting with a little larger hole. Ya’ll likely live with the pain of getting hit.

That is the point of hollow point .. to expand upon impact. Pain is reduced to permanet stillness shortly.

Every weap in my house, garage, car truck and on my person are loaded with Hornady hollow points. Nothing says “good by dirt bag” like a quality round, hollow point that expands as it does its intended work.

FMJ is for hours and hours target practice at the range .... so you know the “gift you are going to give” will travel where you want it at a moments notice.

[Travis McGee]

Did you break the pins without any dry firing? Only when strking primers?

I haven’t had a problem, not sure if my replacement pin was made of some superior steel. I bought it a while back and can’t remember.

At least, they are very easy to pull out and inspect/change. Very interesting pistol design all around.