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That pretty much points out what's been known for a long time - a .357 Sig or .357 magnum from a wheel gun is devastating, as is the good old flying ash tray 230 grain .45. The 230 grain .45 does kick a bit in one of the smaller .45s (like the S&W 457 I carry).

On the other hand, you can also get good performance with small and faster than heck (which is why the .357 is so good). Wish they'd shown the 115 grain 9mm CorBon as well as the 165 grain .45 CorBon. They are both impressive.

[Travis McGee]

There are tons of way cool pics and info on this page I googled up.

Frankly, I would rather prefer not to be hit by ANY of these!

They go with the geletin pics I posted above, from the same source article.

"Best Choices for Self Defense Ammo"

http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/index.htm