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To: CaptRon

I think he’s saying that FR is a 1776 site: “Endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable rights...”

Significant because the rights given by the Creator cannot be taken away by anyone but the One who gave them.

If our rights to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness don’t come from the Creator, then who/what do they come from?


124 posted on 12/11/2009 6:23:53 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins
I totalky agree.

But apparently I am a small "c" christian. I do not bow down to any ideology, religious or political. I have made my living at one point working to elect conservative Republicans. My idea of "conservative" might be different than others. All I know is when I starte lurking here 11 years ago and joined 10 years ago after the Clinton protest on the mall, there was no litmus test.

138 posted on 12/11/2009 6:27:34 PM PST by CaptRon
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To: xzins

“Significant because the rights given by the Creator cannot be taken away by anyone but the One who gave them.

If our rights to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness don’t come from the Creator, then who/what do they come from?”

Well stated! Consider that after World War ll the allies wanted to prosecute the Nazi war criminals. However, in regards to killing the jews and concentration camps and all, it was a fact that those were legal acts within the laws of the government of Germany. The men who carried out those horrific acts were literally abiding by the law of the land. It was decided that they would be tried under “Natural Law” which is basically replication of what God’s laws are. Natural Law transcends man made laws. This includes the right to life, hence the Nuremberg trials were able to proceed on a legal basis that made sense.

I think today, we have lost the legitimacy of recognizing God’s Law and are suffering for it. Just as the Germans did.


207 posted on 12/11/2009 6:50:47 PM PST by Wpin (I do not regret my admiration for W)
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To: xzins
If our rights to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness don’t come from the Creator, then who/what do they come from?

Ayn Rand and the Flying Spaghetti Monster?

Cheers!

462 posted on 12/11/2009 9:29:26 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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