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Free Republic is a fringe right-wing Christian fundamentalist site
12/11/2009 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 12/11/2009 5:57:16 PM PST by Jim Robinson

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To: Jim Robinson

To me, those are words of encouragement. You make us wannabe’s believe there’s a reason to keep on trying.

God bless.

Gordon


1,221 posted on 12/12/2009 7:57:30 PM PST by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com - I have a theory about how Darwin evolved... more soon.)
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To: muawiyah; ansel12; metmom
Yes, I'm sure there are many areas of Utah that are close to 90% Mormon, and there are many places in the bible belt that are close to 90% "fundamentalist protestant", (if I can use that term) where they all pretty much share the same "sola scriptura" ideology and rarely encounter another type of Christian. For example, here's the religious demographics for the entire state of Mississippi:

82% Protestant
10.8% Agnostic/No Religion
4.7% Catholic
2% Other Religions
0.5% LDS

Note that the two largest denominations of Christianity in the world, Catholic and Orthodox, although they number 1.5 billion Christians worldwide, make up less than 5% of the population in that state. Perhaps that explains why they seem so alien in portions of the bible belt. No one who has even the basic understanding of Catholicism would claim Catholics never read the bible in church or that the mass is in Latin so the laypeople won't understand it. The only way someone could possibly argue that honestly (and I've seen it argued repeatedly on FR) is that they've never been inside a Catholic church or had a close relationship with a practicing Catholic their entire lives.

Furthermore, Orthodox Christianity is seen as "unusual" to both Catholics and Protestants since our nation is overwhelmingly western-style Christianity (again around 90%). Orthodoxy is an eastern tradition, and the first encounter with eastern Christianity is very startling to other Christians, since eastern Christianity has a very different worldview and empathizes things very differently, including a heavy use of mysthesism, chanting, and artwork to communicate with Jesus personally. Many American Christians would be really shocked at the type of Christianity prevailent in nations like Romania (87% orthodox), because the services and worship style is completely different from what we expect to see in a Christian church.

For example, my new congregation is an eastern Catholic church (Byzantine Catholic) that many Roman Catholics are shocked to discover is a Catholic church, even though the Pope's picture is prominently on display there. The entire building and its congregation do things quite differently than you'd find in a stereotypical Roman Catholic congregation that's mostly irish or italian-Americans. Even when people drive by, they assume it's a mosque because of the design of the building.

Catholicism and Orthodoxy are older forms of Christianity than Protestantism, and if you look at the historical record you will notice that the bible in its present form wasn't complied until 393 A.D. at the earliest. Christianity for the first 400 years certainly couldn't rely on the same bible for what "Christianity" teaches. Took them a while to decide what books were canon and how to translate them.

Bigotry against forms of Christianity people aren't used to are nothing new. It's a culture shock. I honestly believe alot of bible-thumping "sola scripture" protestants think only their form of Christianity is valid, and is the major "mainstream" Christian ideal in the world, when it reality about 2/3rds of major Christian denominations in the world don't follow their beliefs.

BTW, the Byzantine Catholic congregation I believe in a very conservative, strict (right now they're abstaining form all meat 3 days a week in preparation for Christmas) bible-centered church with a terrific colorful pastor who speaks out against the Obama worshippers on a regular basis. They are extremely active in the pro-life community as well. I get really tired of hearing how those of us who believe in evolution are all God-hating atheists who support abortion and gay "marriage"

1,222 posted on 12/12/2009 7:58:02 PM PST by BillyBoy (Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: Twink
Yeah, they left me a note. Please. Do you want to discuss this topic or do want want make snide comments? Let me know before I waste time typing.

First of all, I asked because if they didn't leave you a note - YOU are reading into their heads! But it seems fitting that you would, with your snide remarks and know it all attitude based on solely WHAT YOU THINK! Talk about ego and YOUR focus on it!
1,223 posted on 12/12/2009 8:02:09 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: metmom
I clicked on your links. They were four posts from the same freeper, attacking you as a cult member and not a "real Christian" (which of course I'd disagree with him about, I consider you a Christian)

As opposed to that one trouble maker, I could probably find about a dozen different freepers on crevo threads, beating up anyone who believes in evolution as "non Christians"

So then who's being more of a bully and coming on those threads to tear down other Christians?

1,224 posted on 12/12/2009 8:03:27 PM PST by BillyBoy (Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: muawiyah
"Do you want a fat lip?"

Have two already! - Say hello to your cuz. (then turn off his teleprompter)

1,225 posted on 12/12/2009 8:03:43 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: BillyBoy
As opposed to that one trouble maker, I could probably find about a dozen different freepers on crevo threads, beating up anyone who believes in evolution as "non Christians"

Go for it.

1,226 posted on 12/12/2009 8:09:20 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: dcgst4
"The Founders said “Creator”, not “Christian God”."

Pardon . . . your ignorance is showing.

1,227 posted on 12/12/2009 8:09:39 PM PST by YHAOS
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To: editor-surveyor
he took our diseases on the cross!

YES!! And that's a huge hurdle for some to believe. Even though, He says, 'believe on Me'.
1,228 posted on 12/12/2009 8:10:14 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: metmom
Explain to me, please, why evolutionists complain to Christians and creationists that they don't have a monopoly on Bible interpretation, and then proceed to act as if they do?

PERFECT! Makes me cringe when I see what they are saying. It's twisted and distorted to fit their agenda. Climate gate to a 'T', IMO.
1,229 posted on 12/12/2009 8:16:27 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: GolfingRam; Jim Robinson; GodGunsGuts; xcamel

Why do you keep pinging xcamel to this conversation that she has not been part of?


1,230 posted on 12/12/2009 8:18:51 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: BillyBoy

Mormon isn’t Protestant Christian, so Utah isn’t in the mix, you still have a long way to answering my post 1078 to you.

I challenged this statement of yours.

“There seem to be a lot of fundamentalist protestants on FR who have a very narrow world view. They live in regions that are 90% protestant, and probably haven’t encountered many non-protestants in their everyday lives. When they encounter non-protestants on the Internet they don’t see them as real Christians, but probably weird cults.”


1,231 posted on 12/12/2009 8:23:53 PM PST by ansel12 (Traitor Earl Warren's court 1953-1969, libertarian hero, anti social conservative warrior.)
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To: Twink
But to blame their actions on natural selection, or rather their interpretation of Natural Selection, is ludicrous, imo.

You are of course welcome to your opinion, but the extensive writings that Eric Harris left behind leave no doubt that he viewed Natural Selection as all the justification he needed to do what he did. In fact, he chose to wear a shirt that said "Natural Selection" on April 20. In many cases, those words, "Natural Selection" were probably the last thing that some of the murdered kids saw.

1,232 posted on 12/12/2009 8:26:47 PM PST by Bodleian_Girl (Unchecked Darwinsim brought us Columbine.)
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To: christianhomeschoolmommaof3

Um, yeah, I also met some of the people involved personally but I didn’t use that emotional crap as evidence like you did.

Nope, my point was not trusting the media but you failed to notice that. Cassie Bernall was the supposed person murdered because she was a Christian, and her parents wrote a book about it, and it was proved false. All the media exposure about how she was killed because she said she was a Christian, and then when that was proven false, it was just a blip in the news.

Her parents weren’t eye witnesses. None of the parents were eye witnesses. So yeah, I don’t believe they can give an accurate report of what happened that day.

I know a family who lost a kid at Columbine too. So don’t freakin preach to me about knowing anyone personally. It means nothing to me when it comes to facts.

These kids, who were basically adults, murdered 13 innocent people. They didn’t murder anyone because they were Christian, or an athlete, or popular or because they were taught about evolution. They didn’t murder because they were depressed, or lovelorn or angry or outcasts at school, or because their parents didn’t give them enough attention or too much attention, or because they listened to “bad” music or wore tshirts with messages on them, or because society failed them.

There were signs these two were messed up and those signs were ignored. Maybe if someone noticed, the murders could have been prevented. Coulda shoulda woulda. But with these two and others like them, probably not. Sometimes evil just happens.

So I’m saying, in case you missed it again, is that the media played up the “sensational” stories as they tend to do without any factual information. All the emotional hooks worked well...they killed the black kid cos he was black, they targeted the athletes, they were bullied, outcasts, and we’re still dealing with the legislation and zero tolerance policies because of the so called bullying, cos ya know, bullied kids will shoot up a school, and of course the anti gun legislation. Cos you know, if citizens didn’t have these awful guns then these school shootings wouldn’t happen. Do you recall the anti gun legislation, all the protests about guns, because of this incident? All because emotions were played upon.

And, I’m saying that these two are responsible for their actions (not the tshirts they wore, music they listened to, science they were taught).

I’m saying read all the transcripts, watch the videos, read about the history of these two. Maybe you have. I know I have. Maybe we will still disagree but at least we’d have all the facts and not just emotional crap.


1,233 posted on 12/12/2009 8:27:17 PM PST by Twink
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To: Jim Robinson

I’m with you.


1,234 posted on 12/12/2009 8:27:46 PM PST by Texas56
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To: GolfingRam; metmom

I took 10 months off work to study the Bible with a group

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10 months of Bible study with a group (AoG or otherwise) does not a Bible Scholar make.


1,235 posted on 12/12/2009 8:31:20 PM PST by reaganaut (ex-Mormon now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: Behemoth the Cat; presently no screen name; count-your-change; editor-surveyor
‘The Truth from the Creator Himself’ (the YEC variation) will not give you antibiotics or cancer cures.

The Bible may not have presented specific information to lead to the discovery of anti-biotics or chemotherapy, but that does not invalidate the Bible.

Before antibiotics were discovered (by accident, not through scientific research to find them), all those hygiene rules from the Creator Himself, would have saved a lot of lives and untold misery had they been followed.

There were a lot of regulations concerning health for the Israelites to follow that make a lot more sense now that we know some of the *why* for why they are effective, but modern science still hasn't invalidated any of them.

1,236 posted on 12/12/2009 8:33:40 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: EdReform
"Powder dry, rifle sighted in, Sir!"

Ahhh! . . . so you're that well regulated militia I keep hearing about.

1,237 posted on 12/12/2009 8:34:59 PM PST by YHAOS
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To: metmom
all those hygiene rules from the Creator Himself,....There were a lot of regulations concerning health for the Israelites to follow that make a lot more sense now that we know some of the *why* for why they are effective,

EXCELLENT point and something I hadn't thought about or heard before.
1,239 posted on 12/12/2009 8:38:37 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: WVKayaker; pissant
Posted on December 2, 2009 12:21:09 PM EST by pissant

... I guess I’m going to take a timeout from Free Republic. Hopefully the Freepers will be acting more sensibly when I return. ’Bye, see you guys next year.


Pissant didn't write those words, someone named XenoHistorian did. Pissant only posted them in the thread...
1,240 posted on 12/12/2009 8:40:35 PM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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