Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Why on Earth ... Do Canadians Love Waiting for Health Care?
The Atlas Society - The Center for Objectivism ^ | December 10, 2009 | Bradley Doucet

Posted on 12/11/2009 12:24:21 PM PST by Ed Hudgins

As the U.S. Senate argues about how best to take over the American health care industry, it is worth taking a look at how government health insurance works here in Canada, where I live. Judging from popular opinion, one would think Canadian health care was great. My fellow Canadians by and large love their single-payer, universal coverage, according to a recent Nanos Research poll. Fully 80 percent of the 1,005 Canadians interviewed support universal health care, with another ten percent supporting it somewhat. A mere five percent were opposed or somewhat opposed, with the remaining five percent unsure.

Yet these poll results are frankly surprising, because universal coverage in Canada comes at a high cost: long waiting lists. The free-market Fraser Institute’s latest annual report on waiting lists was released on October 29, 2009. The study found that “waiting time between referral from a general practitioner and treatment, averaged across all 12 specialties and 10 provinces surveyed” was about 16 weeks this past year. While improved slightly from around 17 weeks the year before, this is still an awfully long time to wait, whether for cancer treatment (5 weeks), “elective” heart surgery (8 weeks), or brain surgery (33 weeks!). Patients also waited over 4 weeks for a CT scan and almost 9 weeks for an MRI.

To be fair, roughly one third of respondents in the Nanos poll mentioned above identified “waiting times for treatment / lack of accessibility” as our system’s key weakness. Another 14 percent thought the fact that there are “not enough doctors, nurses and/or personnel” was its number one failing. Still, in spite of these defects, most Canadians support our system. Why aren’t more Canadians more upset about having to wait for health care?

Please Remain Standing—the Doctor Won’t See You Shortly!

There are …


TOPICS: Canada; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: canada; healthcare; obamacare; socializedmedicine
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-30 next last

1 posted on 12/11/2009 12:24:22 PM PST by Ed Hudgins
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Ed Hudgins

Because they can curl while waiting?


2 posted on 12/11/2009 12:25:56 PM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Ed Hudgins

But then the Canadians don’t really need a big bloated military since they will come running to the Americans if they are ever invaded. So naturally all those taxes have to go *somewhere*.

All in all I’d say health care in Ontario is run on par with how the U.S. govt runs the Post Office.


3 posted on 12/11/2009 12:29:55 PM PST by Soothesayer9
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Ed Hudgins

Because most people don’t have cancer and have to wait while their life passes before their eyes. For the every day ills, the system isn’t horrible.


4 posted on 12/11/2009 12:32:11 PM PST by florida red
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Ed Hudgins
Why aren’t more Canadians more upset about having to wait for health care?

Because everybody gets to wait the same amount of time?
5 posted on 12/11/2009 12:33:28 PM PST by Dr. Sivana
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Ed Hudgins

http://www.gov.mb.ca/health/waittime/index.html

Wait times for Manitoba.


6 posted on 12/11/2009 12:33:49 PM PST by bergmeid (obama. With a small o.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Ed Hudgins

they come to America for the medical care. Maybe they get it free too.


7 posted on 12/11/2009 12:34:38 PM PST by television is just wrong (one big ass mistake America!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Soothesayer9

What are the individual tax rates in Canada that pays for this “free” health care?


8 posted on 12/11/2009 12:34:51 PM PST by newfreep ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." - P.J. O'Rourke)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Ed Hudgins

Didn’t the Canadian Supreme Court just this summer declare part of this Healthcare statute unconstitutional? I think it was mandatory single payer and no private companies issuing healthcare insurance policies.


9 posted on 12/11/2009 12:39:17 PM PST by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Ed Hudgins
Like suburbanites defending their local schools.
The Canadians just can't believe they have a deteriorating
medical system.
10 posted on 12/11/2009 12:39:18 PM PST by Hans
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Ed Hudgins

Similar question:

“Why would Canadians want to stop global warming?”


11 posted on 12/11/2009 12:40:08 PM PST by BigBobber
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Ed Hudgins

They don’t know any better. Have a few treatments on this side of the border, and then ask them how they like it. My guess is the poll numbers would be significantly different!


12 posted on 12/11/2009 12:45:30 PM PST by marstegreg
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: television is just wrong
... they come to America for the medical care. Maybe they get it free too.

They do come to the U.S. for treatment in large numbers. Specialists in northern tier states cater to Canadian patients and do quite well financially as a result. Canadians seeking treatment in the U.S. pay their bills ... unlike the free loaders we get pouring over our southern border.

13 posted on 12/11/2009 12:46:57 PM PST by BluH2o
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Ed Hudgins

Because they are afraid if the government didn’t provide health care, there would be no health care. Once you train people to be dependent, it can very very hard to teach them to be self-sufficient.


14 posted on 12/11/2009 12:51:55 PM PST by arista
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Dr. Sivana
The canadian view of health care is fundamentally different. They don't view health care as a right or a privilege. It's considered necessary for the benefit of their entire society and people in and out of government are expected to cooperate to make it work as well as possible and everyone is on the same system. In the US, the debate is mostly about who gets what in terms of services, money, advantage, etc. Citizens and elected officials are more interested in scamming the system for money, votes or some other benefit.
15 posted on 12/11/2009 12:57:53 PM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: arista
Because they are afraid if the government didn’t provide health care, there would be no health care. Once you train people to be dependent, it can very very hard to teach them to be self-sufficient.

Exactly right.

16 posted on 12/11/2009 12:59:02 PM PST by jveritas (God Bless our brave troops)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: florida red
"Because most people don’t have cancer and have to wait while their life passes before their eyes."

Sure. 80% of the population are healthy. They have no complaints with the system. 80% healthy doesn't seem unusual?

yitbos

17 posted on 12/11/2009 1:00:45 PM PST by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

Comment #18 Removed by Moderator

To: paul51

I was being a little facetious. I am familiar with the Canadian view as my wife is Canadian. I was reflecting on recent comments among Canadian officials regarding the possibility of allowing some fee for service. The response was that was impossible, because then the system wouldn’t treat everybody the same!


19 posted on 12/11/2009 1:09:49 PM PST by Dr. Sivana
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: Ed Hudgins

Part of the problem is that Canadians are simply used to the waits, few if any could remember a time when there weren’t long waits for health care...same with the Brits. In the US health care consumers want treatment now and are generally getting it. They will be very dissatisfied when they suddenly have to wait weeks or months go through a massive bureaucracy to see a specialist or get advanced services.


20 posted on 12/11/2009 1:11:21 PM PST by The Great RJ ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." M. Thatcher)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-30 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson