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Fresh Salamander Tissue Found in Solid Rock
ICR News ^ | December 11, 2009 | Brian Thomas, M.S.

Posted on 12/11/2009 8:38:32 AM PST by GodGunsGuts

Researchers have described remarkably well-preserved tissue discovered inside a salamander fossil. The fully intact muscle tissues also had blood-filled vessels, and they had not been mineralized like most fossils. This “fresh meat” find is depicted as the “highest quality soft tissue preservation ever documented in the fossil record.”[1] But given its assigned age of 18 million years old, it shouldn’t be there at all...

(Excerpt) Read more at icr.org ...


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To: Wacka

Wacka, you have tried before to put words in myouth, won’t work this time either.

Let me get this straight, you think it is ok to call your Creator a Liar in His Word?


81 posted on 12/11/2009 10:04:22 AM PST by RoadGumby (Ask me about Ducky)
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To: GodGunsGuts

“I have read several articles and papers on this find now, and they all say the flesh was “organically preserved.””

Sounds like it has been naturally “canned” Sealed in mud, then baked by a volcano.
It was a primitave version of Spam, Hormel Spander. Chopped salamander shoulder meat with salamander meat added, salt, water, sugar, and sodium nitrite to help keep its color.


82 posted on 12/11/2009 10:05:49 AM PST by READINABLUESTATE
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To: xcamel

Oops ping to 72. Sorry I meant to include you in that post.


83 posted on 12/11/2009 10:06:57 AM PST by christianhomeschoolmommaof3 (Best thing about Cash for Clunkers is that 90% of the Obama bumper stickers are now off the road.)
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To: RoadGumby

Answer my question.

Are GGG and BTMS* your creator? They are lying.


84 posted on 12/11/2009 10:14:53 AM PST by Wacka
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To: xcamel

“Lets try a little hard truth for a minute
(using your posting logic)

Fundamentalist Muslims == Creationists
Taliban == Fundamentalist Muslims

Taliban == Creationists”

This is YOUR logic, camel - no one has stated this but you...

Besides the fact there is a HUGE difference between Allah and Yahweh (Jehovah)....your contempt is on display for everyone to see....why is it you will never hold yourself accountable for the comments you make?


85 posted on 12/11/2009 10:16:59 AM PST by scottdeus12 (Jesus is real, whether you believe in Him or not.)
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To: RoadGumby

My creator isn’t a liar because what was found is real.He isn’t lying. The universe is about 14 billion years old, the earth about 5 billion and evolution is perfectly compatible with Christianity (which included the Catholic Church).

You must have a different creator then.

Satan????


86 posted on 12/11/2009 10:19:44 AM PST by Wacka
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To: GodGunsGuts

No surprise there......


87 posted on 12/11/2009 10:21:03 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: christianhomeschoolmommaof3

Take a deep breath - that my be the only epiphany you ever have.


88 posted on 12/11/2009 10:22:28 AM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: mnehring
"The ICR article misrepresents the original findings."

Not so!

"Scientists have extracted organically preserved muscle tissue from an 18 million years old salamander fossil. The discovery by researchers from University College Dublin, the UK and Spain, reported in the Proceedings of the Royal Society B shows that soft tissue can be preserved under a broader set of fossil conditions than previously known."

Their use of the term "fossilized" simply means encased in rock in this case.

"We came across the muscle tissue during our analysis of several hundred fossil samples taken from an ancient lake bed in Southern Spain. It was immediately identifiable by the sinewy texture visible under the microscope"

Soft tissue! Not mineralized. Were this sample even 20,000 years old it would have mostly converted to methane and leaked out of the rock by now.

89 posted on 12/11/2009 10:22:58 AM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: xcamel
And you merrily follow the talibani creationists right back to the 7th century, and straight to gates of hell...

That's an odd statement. If we creationists are wrong, then there is no hell. If there is no hell, how could we go there or lead anyone else there?

90 posted on 12/11/2009 10:23:10 AM PST by Not A Snowbird (Socialism is the plundering of the productive by the unaccountable)
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To: scottdeus12

Really? You better check with Abraham on that... or are you LYING again, like the rest of your little buddies...


91 posted on 12/11/2009 10:24:58 AM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: Natufian

Right from the scientists themselves: “We came across the muscle tissue during our analysis of several hundred fossil samples taken from an ancient lake bed in Southern Spain. It was immediately identifiable by the sinewy texture visible under the microscope,” says Dr Patrick Orr from the UCD School of Geological Sciences, University College Dublin. According to the University College Dublin geologists, the muscle tissue is organically preserved in three dimensions, with circulatory vessels infilled with blood.” You and others have in mind an erroneous view of what a FOSSIL must be composed of. A FOSSIL need not be mineral that has replaced the original but can the original its self as the correct understanding of the word FOSSIL shows: “Merriam-Webster Dictionary Main Entry: 1fos·sil Pronunciation: \ˈfä-sÉ™l\ Function: adjective Etymology: Latin fossilis obtained by digging, from fodere to dig — more at bed Date: 1604 1 : preserved from a past geologic age 2 : being or resembling a fossil 3 : of or relating to fossil fuel” It’s the relative age and preservation that that earns the term FOSSIL not the means of such. So before the petty insults and accusations of lying fly around let’s see why tissue is not tissue and preserved is not preserved, “direct from the scientists themselves”.


92 posted on 12/11/2009 10:25:41 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Natufian

Right from the scientists themselves: “We came across the muscle tissue during our analysis of several hundred fossil samples taken from an ancient lake bed in Southern Spain. It was immediately identifiable by the sinewy texture visible under the microscope,” says Dr Patrick Orr from the UCD School of Geological Sciences, University College Dublin. According to the University College Dublin geologists, the muscle tissue is organically preserved in three dimensions, with circulatory vessels infilled with blood.” You and others have in mind an erroneous view of what a FOSSIL must be composed of. A FOSSIL need not be mineral that has replaced the original but can the original its self as the correct understanding of the word FOSSIL shows: “Merriam-Webster Dictionary Main Entry: 1fos·sil Pronunciation: \ˈfä-sÉ™l\ Function: adjective Etymology: Latin fossilis obtained by digging, from fodere to dig — more at bed Date: 1604 1 : preserved from a past geologic age 2 : being or resembling a fossil 3 : of or relating to fossil fuel” It’s the relative age and preservation that that earns the term FOSSIL not the means of such. So before the petty insults and accusations of lying fly around let’s see why tissue is not tissue and preserved is not preserved, “direct from the scientists themselves”.


93 posted on 12/11/2009 10:27:19 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: RFEngineer; GodGunsGuts

Fine. Then from this source,.......

Ancient muscle tissue extracted from 18 million year old fossil
http://www.ucd.ie/news/2009/11NOV09/051109_muscle.html

“The scientists claim that their discovery is unequivocal evidence that high-fidelity organic preservation of extremely decay prone soft tissues is more common in the fossil record – the only physical record of the history of life on earth.”

These scientists are the ones who clearly implied that this one find meant that this was *more common*.

One sample? *More common*?

More common than what? Nothing?

No stretching of the truth or facts here. Nothing to see. Move along, move along.....


94 posted on 12/11/2009 10:28:09 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: RoadGumby

Wacka is a liar and a TarBaby, and has no respect for himself, so don’t expect him to show any respect for anyone else either.


95 posted on 12/11/2009 10:29:03 AM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: christianhomeschoolmommaof3

How’s this sound? *Just because communists are atheists, means all atheists are communists.*

Same kind of reasoning.......


96 posted on 12/11/2009 10:30:24 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Wacka

My (and your) Creator tells of Creation. A fool calls God a liar. You and your ‘group’ are a sorry excuse. You sound for all the owrld like a lib/Dem/diversity crowd. Shrill and strident, attempting to silence anyone who might have a differing though (In the name of ‘truth’ and ‘freethinking’ of course).

Play your word games. ‘Tis amusing.

We will get our turn to meet our Cretaor. It’ll be even more amusing (yet somehow sad) to watch you trying to explain.


97 posted on 12/11/2009 10:31:23 AM PST by RoadGumby (Ask me about Ducky)
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To: count-your-change
From dictionary.com :

fos⋅sil   /ˈfɒsəl/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [fos-uhl] Show IPA Use fossil in a Sentence See web results for fossil See images of fossil –noun 1. any remains, impression, or trace of a living thing of a former geologic age, as a skeleton, footprint, etc. 2. a markedly outdated or old-fashioned person or thing. 3. a linguistic form that is archaic except in certain restricted contexts, as nonce in for the nonce, or that follows a rule or pattern that is no longer productive, as the sentence So be it. –adjective 4. of the nature of a fossil: fossil insects. 5. belonging to a past epoch or discarded system; antiquated: a fossil approach to economics.

Creationists are definition #2, I believe.

98 posted on 12/11/2009 10:32:42 AM PST by Wacka
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To: xcamel; All

“You better check with Abraham on that... or are you LYING again..”

Wow, you are really deranged - or a closet Muslim (or both)?. So by your logic Muhammed was a prophet of God - is that what you think Camel?

CAN EVERYONE SEE THIS....CAMEL THINKS CHRISTIANS ARE THE SAME AS MUSLIMS!!


99 posted on 12/11/2009 10:33:00 AM PST by scottdeus12 (Jesus is real, whether you believe in Him or not.)
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To: Natufian
Right from the scientists themselves:

“We came across the muscle tissue during our analysis of several hundred fossil samples taken from an ancient lake bed in Southern Spain. It was immediately identifiable by the sinewy texture visible under the microscope,” says Dr Patrick Orr from the UCD School of Geological Sciences, University College Dublin.

According to the University College Dublin geologists, the muscle tissue is organically preserved in three dimensions, with circulatory vessels infilled with blood.”

You and others have in mind an erroneous view of what a FOSSIL must be composed of. A FOSSIL need not be mineral that has replaced the original but can the original its self as the correct understanding of the word FOSSIL shows:

“Merriam-Webster Dictionary Main Entry: 1fos·sil Pronunciation: \ˈfä-sÉ™l\ Function: adjective Etymology: Latin fossilis obtained by digging, from fodere to dig — more at bed Date: 1604 1 : preserved from a past geologic age 2 : being or resembling a fossil 3 : of or relating to fossil fuel”

It's the relative age and preservation that that earns the term FOSSIL not the means of such. So before the petty insults and accusations of lying fly around let's see why tissue is not tissue and preserved is not preserved, “direct from the scientists themselves”.

100 posted on 12/11/2009 10:33:04 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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