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Fluoridation bill passes NJ Senate panel
Water Tech Online ^ | 12/9/09 | Water Tech Online

Posted on 12/11/2009 6:55:13 AM PST by NewJerseyJoe

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To: ASA Vet

The merits and demerits of flouridated water are not the issue.

The issue is the government’s CONTINUING efforts to exert power over the public by forcing down their throats things like THIS and Healthcare.

If YOU want fluoride, go out and buy some and add it to YOUR water. I pay for pure water and pure water is what I should get. I shouldn’t have to pay EXTRA money for what I should be getting through my faucet.

Its plain and simple.

And NOBODY knows what the effects of EXTENDED use of flouridated water will be on OTHER aspects of human health, impact on piping, etc.. etc.


41 posted on 12/11/2009 8:46:59 AM PST by ZULU (God guts and guns made America great. Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam.)
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To: ZULU
NOBODY knows what the effects of EXTENDED use of flouridated water

Yeah you're right, everyone in Grand Rapids will die.

42 posted on 12/11/2009 8:49:44 AM PST by ASA Vet (Iran should have ceased to exist Nov 5, 1979, but we had no president then either.)
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To: ASA Vet
I haven't the slightest idea how much fluoride is added to the water there. FURTHER, as an aquaculturalist, I KNOW that WATER isn't the same as WATER. Water from different areas naturally differs in pH, hardness, and numerous other parameters. And we don't know about long-term effects.

BUT AGAIN, the issue is not the merits or demerits of fluoride in drinking water. Its the principle of a bunch of political hacks in Trenton, who know less about water or chemicals than you or I, MANDATING actions on Fluoridation.

As I implied in an earlier post, this is tied to the inner cities ONCE AGAIN trying to dictate government policy for the entire state. This subject was discussed on the Jim Gearhart show. The entire legislative issue was resurrected when the water company providing water to Trenton stopped adding Fluoride to the Trenton Water supply without notifying the locals, some of whom became incensed and contacted their local Democrat War Bosses to get this legislation enacted on the state level.

43 posted on 12/11/2009 8:59:26 AM PST by ZULU (God guts and guns made America great. Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam.)
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To: pandoraou812
"They added it to my water a few years ago. I had a leak in my koi pond & added hose water. Killed 25 of my koi fish. Now I have to use an additive when using my hose water to fill the pond."

That's an attribute of chloramine, not fluoride. Chloramine is used as a disinfectant. It's a compound comprised of chlorine and ammonia, typically in a 4 to 1 ratio. Very harmful to aquatic life but not harmful to humans or their pets.

You're most likely adding sodium thiosulfate to neutralize it.

44 posted on 12/11/2009 9:26:15 AM PST by telebob
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To: telebob

Oh stop letting facts get in the way of a good rant. That’s not the way things are done on FR.


45 posted on 12/11/2009 9:33:45 AM PST by ASA Vet (Iran should have ceased to exist Nov 5, 1979, but we had no president then either.)
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To: ASA Vet

Point taken and you’re right...


46 posted on 12/11/2009 9:37:15 AM PST by telebob
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To: Heliand; Eva
you might take note of the number of cavities and state of teeth in the population born up to around 1950, and then compare that to children born in the 1970's or 1980's. Where the silent generation and early boomers have mouth's full of cavities, children and young adults today rarely have any cavities, or if they do, only a few small ones. The difference is water flouridation, and flouride treatment at the dentist, flouride in toothpaste, and flouride in mouthwash.

Throughout most of Europe, flouride is not added to the water supply, yet Europeans have healthier teeth and fewer cavities today, too. So, flouride may not be the reason for healthier teeth today. The real reason probably is that people are taking better care of their teeth.

My great-grandmother lived into her eighties with all of her teeth, and she never had a cavity. And she lived in the days when people went to the barber shop to have their teeth fixed. She took good care of her teeth. So did some other people in those earlier generations. But, many people did not take such good care of their teeth and did not have access to the dental care people have today.

47 posted on 12/11/2009 11:05:08 AM PST by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: ASA Vet
I agree. The anti fluoride folks make considerable money selling fear. I would urge those that like to buy fear to go see a fearful movie or chase UFOs, or Big foot. Fear is a marketable item and some are dumb enough to buy the fluoride fear.
48 posted on 12/11/2009 11:06:47 AM PST by tongass kid
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To: Rodebrecht

Standard filters won’t work. It requires reverse osmosis (RO). I’ve been on RO water for 10 years now. RO water imo is great for relieving bone pain and improving health.


49 posted on 12/11/2009 11:09:50 AM PST by Justa
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To: Tired of Taxes
Oops. Flouride should be spelled fluoride.
50 posted on 12/11/2009 11:14:13 AM PST by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: tongass kid

It should be a matter of choice. Those who want fluoridated drinking water are free to buy it at the store. Why should the rest of us have to buy it for them?

Also, think of it as mass medication. We wouldn’t want the gov’t dumping other forms of medication into our water supply.


51 posted on 12/11/2009 11:17:02 AM PST by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: Eva

Almost anything is a poison (or rather, is toxic) in sufficient doses.


52 posted on 12/11/2009 11:18:23 AM PST by Heliand
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To: Tired of Taxes
Where was you ggmother raised and did she drink well water?
53 posted on 12/11/2009 11:19:25 AM PST by tongass kid
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To: Justa

As a NJ resident I am ecstatic that the Assembly has taken this critical issue on and not wasted their valuable time on the 30 billion dollar debt and unfunded liabilities. What a relief to have this fluoride problem solved once and for all. What courage and what political capital was spent to get passage of this controversial matter. There have been demonstrations bordering on riots in the state capitol demanding action on the fluoride scandal.

I think the next critical order of business is naming a rest stop on the NJ Turnpike in honor of Bruce Springsteen. Way to go NJ Assembly, what ever we are paying you is not enough.


54 posted on 12/11/2009 11:20:05 AM PST by nj patriot (Gore is beyond help.... Snakes in the head.)
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To: Tired of Taxes
I agree that choice is an issue. I have not address this issue only the solid scientific support of the use of fl- in the drinking water. Choice is a political issue and it is a dangerous issue when it conflicts with good science. A good example is AGW which does not have good science and has become a government (choice issue).
55 posted on 12/11/2009 11:34:21 AM PST by tongass kid
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To: tongass kid

She was born in Italy and later moved to Pennsylvania. I don’t know what kind of water she drank. But, other relatives who lost all of their teeth lived on the same street, and they must’ve been drinking the same water.


56 posted on 12/11/2009 11:35:43 AM PST by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: nj patriot

LOL.


57 posted on 12/11/2009 11:37:30 AM PST by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: tongass kid

Point taken that there could be some fear mongering. I just don’t want it in our water supply because we should make these choices for ourselves.


58 posted on 12/11/2009 11:43:09 AM PST by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: Tired of Taxes

Eastern Europe generally had flouride treatment through 1990, and western Europe up to the mid-1970’s. That would cover everyone but those under about 40 in the west, 25 in the east.


59 posted on 12/11/2009 12:05:46 PM PST by Heliand
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To: Heliand
western Europe up to the mid-1970’s. That would cover everyone but those under about 40 in the west

Assuming your theory is true, then fluoridation for only a short period of time provides lifelong benefits. So, why would it be necessary to fluoridate water forever? Also, it doesn't explain my great-grandmother. :-)

60 posted on 12/11/2009 12:27:23 PM PST by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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