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(EPA) declare carbon a toxic pollutant: Obama pulls end run
canadafreepress.com ^ | December 8, 2009 | Klaus Rohrich

Posted on 12/09/2009 4:35:10 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

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To: concerned about politics

Screw Romney. He is a tool. Bad example.


41 posted on 12/09/2009 6:08:00 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: concerned about politics
More and more, people have to start thinking about getting back to the soil.

I've been considering this point for awhile now and I am wondering if this is what we should be doing? I mean, doesn't it play directly into their hands? Isn't that exactly what their agenda has been driving at for years?

Go green, get off the grid with solar or wind. Go local, eat locally grown...preferably organic. Stop driving, bike, walk, scooter.

I'm not saying you are wrong I am just pointing out they have been pushing for that direction.

Starve the beast, going galt, or whatever we call it, it seems like we're playing into their agenda at times. No, I don't have another answer or option. I am just wondering if we're not falling into their trap?

42 posted on 12/09/2009 6:08:01 AM PST by EBH (it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new Government)
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To: SonOfDarkSkies

I watched Pat Cauddel on Beck last night and he said it plain and simple. The people have had enough.

Just heard the WH Economic Advisor said that if Congress doesn’t act on the EPA requirements...the WH will use COMMAND AND CONTROL ACTIONS.

HAVE PEOPLE HEARD ENOUGH YET.


43 posted on 12/09/2009 6:09:57 AM PST by Marty62 (former Marty60)
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To: Marty62
"the WH Economic Advisor said that if Congress doesn’t act on the EPA requirements...the WH will use COMMAND AND CONTROL ACTIONS."

What in the hell?

What exactly does command and control mean?

44 posted on 12/09/2009 6:11:46 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: MajorThomas
If CO2 is a toxic pollutant, are we going to designate all plants as criminals

No, but we can punish (tax) those that grow plants.

Off the top of my head, a couple other common things that involve CO2-

My MIG welder has a CO2 bottle, as does every soda fountain. So do beer taps for that matter. Any process that uses yeast gives off quite a bit of CO2. So they can tax bread and the production of alcohol also. I'm sure there are many, many more.

45 posted on 12/09/2009 6:12:37 AM PST by ScottyinTN (Stuck on dialup)
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To: steelyourfaith

You record Bill O’Reilly?


46 posted on 12/09/2009 6:20:36 AM PST by genetic homophobe (They hate Sarah because she lovingly carries a failed abortion on her hip.)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives
If we ALL tax revolt and do not pay the ludicrous unlawful beyond words taxes coming... we will all go to an Obama FEMA camp.

That's why we LEGALLY avoid all taxes.
If you buy "junk", you pay consumer taxes.
If you drive excessively, you pay gas taxes.
If you smoke - tobacco taxes.
If you eat prepared foods - taxes.
Soda? Taxes.
Working overtime - taxes.
Why pay taxes every week? Why not bank that cash and deny the government the interest on that money they need so badly? Keep the interest for yourself instead.

The key is to not buy, cook your own food, stop smoking or cut back, drive less, etc. Avoid anything with an attached tax like a PLAGUE. Make it a life style choice.

If EVERYONE were to start doing this, the tax revenue for the politicians would be cut in half - at least, and the government is already broke. This is why they're taking over everything. They need to siphon money out of health care, banks, and the environment. Anything they can. The democrat base, and leaders around the world, have an insatiable apatite. They want MONEY - big time. Don't give it to them.

47 posted on 12/09/2009 6:21:01 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

I want to do a seperate posting on this.
But the WH FOX correspondent just posted the Quote.
It’s not on their Web site yet.

As Martha said: That is harsh language............ YA THINK?

EPA to use COMMAND and CONTROL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


48 posted on 12/09/2009 6:21:48 AM PST by Marty62 (former Marty60)
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To: Marty62

Bookmark


49 posted on 12/09/2009 6:23:22 AM PST by mplsconservative
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

We need to see his birth certificate. He needs to be led from the whitehouse in handcuffs. Nobody’s even seen a driver’s license from the usurper. He’s ineligible. Once that’s proven, none of the rest of it matters.


51 posted on 12/09/2009 6:24:59 AM PST by genetic homophobe (They hate Sarah because she lovingly carries a failed abortion on her hip.)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives
Screw Romney. He is a tool. Bad example.

Fair enough. Name one Republican "potential" who'll work to eliminate social programs and lower taxes to a bare minimum. Name one Republican with "Oboma balls".

52 posted on 12/09/2009 6:25:32 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: EBH
I've been considering this point for awhile now and I am wondering if this is what we should be doing? I mean, doesn't it play directly into their hands? Isn't that exactly what their agenda has been driving at for years?
Go green, get off the grid with solar or wind. Go local, eat locally grown...preferably organic. Stop driving, bike, walk, scooter.

Nope. Alinski said to "use" something like the environment (something everyone would agree on - like health?) to get everyone to go along with the Marxist Revolution. They could care less about Mother earth. It's all a tool.
If everyone were to do as they say, there would be no tax revenue. Without tax revenue, no socialism. If everyone were to go back to the soil, there would be no need for a big government. People would be self sufficient. That's the LAST thing they want.

53 posted on 12/09/2009 6:31:52 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: concerned about politics

I am not following you. I admire the very idea of any solution at this juncture but we all HAVE to work. Taxes are automatically taken out of our paycheck. This alone will feed the beast!!!

Even thought SS will be broke in 2010 and we are all up the creek without a paddle. The bottom line is Obama will control everything. We will be in pure communism and then shortly after global communism. All under the false guise of global warming.

Im not going to LIVE naked in a cave with no cigarettes,beer, eating nothing but deer meat like a caveman in hiding while they fly their jets around to their islands and laugh. Eff them! To hell be gone with them in Jesus Christs name! Remove the usurper from power immediately, before it is too late!


54 posted on 12/09/2009 6:31:56 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: concerned about politics

P.S. what I meant by ‘I am not following you’ was I don’t get what you are saying as it is too late to cut off the beast and hide. The beast is in full power and control.


55 posted on 12/09/2009 6:35:05 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives
I am not following you. I admire the very idea of any solution at this juncture but we all HAVE to work. Taxes are automatically taken out of our paycheck. This alone will feed the beast!!!

I'm not saying everyone HAS to give up their lifestyle. Some are just willing to give up more than others to kill that beast. AVOIDING taxes, as much as possible, helps. Every penny counts. Every soda you DO NOT drink takes food away from the beast. Every time you do all your driving in one trip denies the beast it's extra gas tax. Stop buying junk. You don't need all those dust collectors anyway.
See? It's up to you how far you're personally willing to go to starve the politicians. I, for one, have made self sufficiency a hobby - or more of an obsession. I'm not paying for any more of this crap than I absolutely have to.

Most people work, but if you claim more dependents than you actually have on your taxes, then you can get your weekly tax deductions down to 0. Make sure you bank the extra money, though, because what you owe will still be due at the end of the year. This way, YOU collect a little interest, but the politicians get NONE.

Think "No" when it comes to taxes. Be creative.

56 posted on 12/09/2009 6:45:33 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Marty62

Here it is. Go post it! This is getting to be unbelievable.

Administration Warns of ‘Command-and-Control’ Regulation Over Emissions

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12/09/administration-warns-command-control-regulation-emissions/


57 posted on 12/09/2009 6:46:13 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: concerned about politics

What? If I claim 6 exemptions and only have two I will STILL have to pay taxes.

All of what you say is helpful but Im not going to live like a refugee. Self reliance and survival is good but the beast will not go away.

IMPEACH AND REMOVE THE USURPER, LONG LEGGED MACK DADDY, BEAST, FALSE MESSIAH, COMMUNIST “THEY” HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR, FROM OFFICE.


58 posted on 12/09/2009 6:51:12 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: ScottyinTN

WTf, Beer, too, ...pooh! Just in time for another T party!


59 posted on 12/09/2009 6:54:00 AM PST by MajorThomas (Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives
Environmental Protection Agency will take a "command-and-control" role over the process in a way that could hurt business.

The democrats can defund the EPA at any time. If anything hurts business, it's Oboma and the democrats. It's up to them. The rest is moot.
It WILL be the democrats fault. No excuses.

60 posted on 12/09/2009 6:54:55 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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