Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

At issue: Should 'microstamps' be required on some guns?
The Wisconsin State Journal (Madison, Wis.) ^ | December 6, 2009 | Mary Spicuzza

Posted on 12/07/2009 11:47:59 AM PST by neverdem

Mary Spicuzza | 608-252-6122 | mspicuzza@madison.com

In a nutshell

Wisconsin would require new semiautomatic handguns sold or manufactured in the state to produce identifying codes on every shell they expend under a bill currently in the Legislature. The bill would require that semiautomatic handguns manufactured on or after Jan. 1, 2011 produce codes, known as a "microstamps," on their expended cartridges.

The bill would also require gun manufacturers and dealers who sell handguns that produce microstamps to disclose guns' makes, models and serial numbers to law enforcement agencies when microstamped expended shell casings are collected during criminal investigations.

It would become a misdemeanor crime to alter semiautomatic handguns in order to prevent law enforcement officers from identifying microstamps if the bill passes.

The case for it

State Rep. Leon Young, D-Milwaukee, who introduced the bill in the Assembly (AB 221), said microstamping would help solve and prevent gun violence by allowing law enforcement officers to identify firearms used in crimes. "Microstamping technology would allow law enforcement to trace a shell casing from a crime scene to the exact gun that the casing was fired from without ever having the gun in their possession," Young said during a recent public hearing. "It's like finding a gun at a crime scene."

Legislators have had public hearings on the bill but have not yet voted on it.

The case against it

Opponents said the bill would make handguns too expensive and discourage manufacturing and the selling of guns to Wisconsin gun stores. And they said microstamping is a flawed and unreliable technology.

Jim Fendry, director of the Wisconsin Pro-Gun Movement, said the microstamping bill would be costly, anti-gun legislation rooted in unproven technology. He added that markings on shells fired by handguns change because of wear. "The ones that are taken out today aren't going to match the ones that are taken out in the future," Fendry said.

To get involved

Chairwoman of the Senate Committee on Judiciary and Corrections Sen. Lena Taylor, D-Milwaukee, can be reached at 608-266-5810 by e-mail at Sen.Taylor@legis.wi.gov

Chairman of the Assembly Committee on Criminal Justice Robert Turner, D-Racine, can be reached at 608-266-0731 or Rep.Turner@legis.wisconsin.gov.

To contact lawmakers to oppose or support the bill, use the legislative hot line, which is staffed from 8:15 a.m. to 4:45 p.m. weekdays, call 800-362-9472. To send an e-mail, log onto the Legislature's Web page at www.legis.state.wi.us, select Senate or Assembly, and follow the link to the e-mail directory.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: banglist; democrats; guncontrol; liberalfascism; microstamp; microstamping; microstamps
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-4041-59 next last

1 posted on 12/07/2009 11:48:02 AM PST by neverdem
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: neverdem

I expect gun sales in Wisconsin to be very robust during 2010.


2 posted on 12/07/2009 11:49:25 AM PST by lovecraft (Specialization is for insects.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: neverdem

Unless they ban guns that don’t expend the cartridge, then criminals will go over to revolvers.

These Liberals really just don’t get it.


3 posted on 12/07/2009 11:50:58 AM PST by rarestia (Confutatis maledictis, voca me cum benedictis)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: neverdem
I'd like to see all politicians “microstamped” so we could easily determine what they actually voted for and supported - not what they claim to have.
4 posted on 12/07/2009 11:51:02 AM PST by I cannot think of a name
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: neverdem

So is a modified pop bottle to collect the cartridges going to be put in the same category as using a pop bottle as a silencer?


5 posted on 12/07/2009 11:51:29 AM PST by Paladin2
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: neverdem

The first thing to do after purchasing a new gun will be to disassemble it and delicately remove the microstamp with a small file. :)


6 posted on 12/07/2009 11:52:40 AM PST by Behemoth the Cat
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: rarestia

I love my wheel guns.....


7 posted on 12/07/2009 11:53:19 AM PST by ButThreeLeftsDo (Merry Christmas, FReepers!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Behemoth the Cat

I’ve heard you can do nearly the same thing to foil the “ballistic signature” that’s on file for every new gun today...


8 posted on 12/07/2009 11:54:47 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: neverdem

It seems the other way people just file off the numbers. I would think this would work better but only for a time until the bad guys find a way to make those numbers disappear.


9 posted on 12/07/2009 11:56:07 AM PST by napscoordinator
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ButThreeLeftsDo
I love my wheel guns.....

And spent casings at the range could cause you all sort of trouble if some dbag dropped a few at the crime scene where he used a revolver to throw the cops off the trial.

10 posted on 12/07/2009 11:56:25 AM PST by Malsua
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: neverdem
State Rep. Leon Young, D-Milwaukee, who introduced the bill in the Assembly (AB 221), said microstamping would help solve and prevent gun violence by allowing law enforcement officers to identify firearms used in crimes.

Mind numbingly stupid logic, of course, from a Democrat. You cannot prevent a crime that has already been committed. The microstamping would only tell you which firearm the shell came from, presuming the technology worked and the perp did not alter the weapon.

The legislation is aimed at discouraging firearm production in that State.

11 posted on 12/07/2009 12:05:27 PM PST by rjsimmon (1-20-2013 The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: neverdem

“It would become a misdemeanor crime..”

Anyone know a good file maker I could invest in?


12 posted on 12/07/2009 12:06:48 PM PST by Pessimist (u)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: neverdem
It's not all that difficult to replace a firing pin on many semi-automatic pistols, and filing it down is even easier. Revolvers would be unaffected of course, as would be, generally speaking, any criminals.

Gun control laws only affect law-abiding citizens, whom they inhibit and inconvenience so that politicians may escape the necessity of dealing with criminal behavior, exclusive of their own.

13 posted on 12/07/2009 12:07:00 PM PST by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: neverdem

Great, another dim govt mandated device that either won’t work or might cause the pistol to jam. Maybe that’s is, if the gun jams, then the criminal is stopped from firing his weapon. But it also applies to the homeowner.


14 posted on 12/07/2009 12:08:59 PM PST by Texas resident (Hunkered Down)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Malsua

“And spent casings at the range could cause you all sort of trouble if some dbag dropped a few at the crime scene where he used a revolver to throw the cops off the trial.”

Excellent point!

Actually, I’ve often thought that if I were going to commit some difficult, high profile crime, I would first rummage around in the dumpster of a barber shop for a handful of hair clippings to dump at the scene. (No, I’m not a criminal. But don’t you sometimes think about things like this when you’re watching some crime show?)


15 posted on 12/07/2009 12:09:59 PM PST by Pessimist (u)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: Malsua

That just brought a smile to my face...

Said “dbag” picks up a handfull of casings at a range -

some 22lr, some 9mm, some .40, some .38, some rifle, etc

and drops them at a crime scene...


16 posted on 12/07/2009 12:11:42 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: neverdem

tag ...


17 posted on 12/07/2009 12:11:55 PM PST by ArmyTeach ( Beware Taquiyah)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: neverdem

You think some criminal is going to give a rat’s @ss whether or not it’s illegal to remove a microstamp?

Does Wisconsin have gun registration laws? Looks like this would create a defacto gun registration program as well.


18 posted on 12/07/2009 12:13:29 PM PST by smokingfrog (I'm from TEXAS -- what country are YOU from?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: neverdem

When we finally get around to dismissing the US Congress, and picking up the pieces afterwards, I would support a Constitutional Amendment that spells out what the Second Amendment tried to say, in no uncertain terms.

State Legislatures ought to have the right to pass the laws that they desire within the boundaries of that State, but they ought not be able to implement these end-arounds of the Constitution by way of these clearly un-Constitutional laws.


19 posted on 12/07/2009 12:20:44 PM PST by Bean Counter (Stout Hearts....)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: MrB
I’ve heard you can do nearly the same thing to foil the “ballistic signature” that’s on file for every new gun today...

Fine emery cloth pushed through the barrel with a cleaning rod.

20 posted on 12/07/2009 12:20:44 PM PST by El Laton Caliente (NRA Life Member & www.Gunsnet.net Moderator)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-4041-59 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson