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Polish Parliament officially condems the verdict of the ECoHR banning Crosses in classrooms.
Wirtualna Polska ^ | Dec.4, 2009 | (mj, zel)

Posted on 12/04/2009 3:48:03 AM PST by Matt_Rel

[translation from Polish]

 

Polish Parliament officially condems the verdict of the ECoHR banning the presense of Crosses in classrooms.

Po wyroku Trybunału w Strasburgu, krzyże w miejscach publicznych budzą coraz większe kontrowersje

The Polish Parliament, Seym, has stood up for the freedom of religion and for the endorsement of the values which belong to common heritage of the nations of Europe. The Seym of Poland rejects the verdict of the European Court of Human Rights banning Crosses in classrooms in Italy and calls the parliaments of the countries belonging to the Council of Europe to reflect on the issue.

The resolution of the 460-seat Polish Parliament was accepted by a huge majority of votes.

Out of 402 MPs present at the voting,  357 MPs voted for the resolution, 40 abstained from voting and 5 MPs were against.


The resolution emphasizes the fact that the Sign of Cross in not only a religious symbol and a testimony of God's love to humans. As far as public affairs are concerned, it also reminds us about the readiness for the ultimate sacrifice for other people and represents the values the respect for dignity of every human being are built upon. [...]

It's been reminded that in the past, especially under the rules of  Nazi and Communist regimes, the hostile acts against the religion were closely bound to massive violations of  human rights and led to discrimination.

The Seym has recalled the words of John Paul II, said in the Polish Parliament in June 1999, that "democracy without values easily turns into an open or hidden totalitarism".

The Polish Parliament has also expressed serious concern about decisions, which aim at the freedom of faith, disdain the rights and feelings of people believing in God and destroy the the social stability.  The verdict of the European Court of Human Rights banning the presence of Crosses in Italian classrooms belongs to the mentioned above decisions, says the Polish resolution. [...]


(mj, zel)

 

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Three major Polish political parties which together take 90% of seats in the Polish Parliament, the Civic Platform (fiscal conservatives), Law & Justice (social conservatives), and Polish People's Party (social conservative party of the Polish farmers) have openly expressed their strong indignation and concern about the verdict of the European Court of Human Rights.

Voices from the parliamentary debate on the resulution:

"If we are indifferent today, let us not be surprised tomorrow  that our successors will be indifferent when the Cross of Chrtist is taken down from the Church altars", Jacek Zalka (Civic Platform)

 

"If the Crosses in classrooms are an obstacle today, soon the  road-side Crosses will be an obstacle too", Tadeusz Slawecki (PPP)

Plik:Krzyż przydrożny w Kostkowicach.jpg File:Kozy Krzyz przydrozny 001.JPG

[ road-side crosses - a ubiquitous element of the Polish landscape]

 

"The resolution of the Polish Seym is the voice that defends the European civilization.", Kazimierz Michał Ujazdowski (Law & Justice)

 


TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cross; poland; polish
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I'm proud to be Polish.
1 posted on 12/04/2009 3:48:05 AM PST by Matt_Rel
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To: lizol; dfwgator; Salvation

ping.


2 posted on 12/04/2009 3:56:39 AM PST by Matt_Rel
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To: Matt_Rel
Bump!
3 posted on 12/04/2009 4:14:19 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster (LUV DIC -- L,U,V-shaped recession, Depression, Inflation, Collapse)
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To: Matt_Rel

That’s what happens when you let other countries decide what’s best for you.


4 posted on 12/04/2009 4:24:07 AM PST by rintense (You do not advance conservatism by becoming more liberal. ~ rintense, 2006)
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To: Matt_Rel
I concur. The Poles have a fierce sense of identity that has been forged by centuries of strife with both the Germans and the Russians. Religion, specifically Catholicism, is central to that identity. In this sense the Poles retain certain values that have long been lost by secular Europe.
5 posted on 12/04/2009 4:25:51 AM PST by RU88 (Bow to no man)
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To: Matt_Rel
So, from a legal standpoint, what can the Poles do? Who has ultimate authority? The European court or the Polish Parliament? Sounds to me as if the court does, but is there some mechanism where and EU signatory can ignore or overrule EU edicts?
6 posted on 12/04/2009 4:32:03 AM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: Matt_Rel

The nations of the EU should tell this so called court that they have NO justification to make law and then impeach them if they try and be dictators as others in Europe have done in the past.


7 posted on 12/04/2009 4:35:45 AM PST by YOUGOTIT (The Royal 100 Club is Acting the Same as the Roman Senate When the Republic Collapsed)
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To: Matt_Rel
Another giant leap for moral equivalency. Cross, swastika, middle finger -- all the same, too offensive to be tolerated.
But crescents, they're ok!
8 posted on 12/04/2009 4:35:54 AM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (LIBERTY)
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To: Alas Babylon!

===Who has ultimate authority?===

On the issues like religion, abortion, euthanasia or same-sex marriges,etc. the Constitution of Poland is the supreme act of law in Poland.


9 posted on 12/04/2009 4:40:16 AM PST by Matt_Rel
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To: rintense
That’s what happens when you let other countries people decide what’s best for you.
10 posted on 12/04/2009 5:17:34 AM PST by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

You’re right. Waitress pierced tongue - OK. Waitress wearing cross - disgusting!


11 posted on 12/04/2009 5:19:29 AM PST by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD

No one forced Poland to join the EU. They want the EU cash and Ryanair flights. This is how the EU mafia works and everyone knows it.


12 posted on 12/04/2009 6:00:10 AM PST by lodi90
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To: Matt_Rel

Fomer Iron Curtain countries get it.


13 posted on 12/04/2009 6:16:14 AM PST by clintonh8r (Oath Keeper and Manhattan Declaration signer)
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To: lodi90
No one forced Poland to join the EU.

LOL. Looks like it's really hard to understand why Poland joined the EU. Theoretically speaking, Poland gets more money from the EU than she pays to the common kitty. In fact, the criteria of getting money for perticular projects from the EU are so complicated that Poland is in the red.

The only real reason we voted for the EU was to get away from the grey zone between the West and Russia, and, taking Russia's attitude to Poland into consideration, we did absolutely right.

What else could we do? To count on USA? Turned her back on us long time ago! All that America could do for Poland's security (Bush's administration) was to promise us two batteries of the Patriot missiles on our territory, while Obama reduced that to one INOPERATIONAL battery only for training purposes.

If we were to chose between civilized West, although highly secular, and wild Russia still full of imperial sentiments, we had actually no choice.
But then again, what can a regular American say, when all that America could suffer was Obama’s or Japanese attack on USA. With due respect, the small town of Wielun lost more citizens in the first minute of WWII after Luftwaffe airraid than all victims of WTC.

So, why on Earth, should I tell you about millions of victims of Russian and German aggressors in our history (not only Soviet and Nazis!). Pointless. Beyond comprehension to you.

14 posted on 12/04/2009 6:19:49 AM PST by Matt_Rel
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To: Alas Babylon!

At some point, everybody breaks a treaty. You can not order a person or society to commit suicide. They, like Honduras, will just have to face whatever sanctions are prompted by breaking it. But at some point, you stop listening to crazy people and tell them NO. Remember, these people are one-worlders who believe in Agenda 21. They want to reduce world population by 85%.


15 posted on 12/04/2009 7:37:26 AM PST by Clock King (There's no way to fix D.C.)
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To: Matt_Rel

Me too


16 posted on 12/04/2009 8:13:08 AM PST by GraceG
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To: Matt_Rel
So you should be!

I grew up with a polish lad as my best friend and was welcomed into the family. His parents (refugees from Poland during the war) were great hardworking people. His mother was just about the most attractive woman I ever saw.

At the moment Poland is making more sense than any other European country - and just agreed 600 more troops for Afghanistan.

Oh that the UK had as much common sense....

17 posted on 12/04/2009 8:29:06 AM PST by vimto (To do the right thing you don't have to be intelligent - you have to be brave (Sasz))
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To: vimto

God bless the Polish people. They are rugged, brave people, who have known hard times and have survived vicious enemies and occupations. They love their country and have a strong belief in God, and I’ll be damned if they will let “outsiders” tell them how they should practice their religion in their country.

More power to you, Poland! May you be an example to us all here in the USA that we must be willing to FIGHT to retain our freedoms...FREEDOM IS NOT FREE.


18 posted on 12/04/2009 8:46:47 AM PST by itssme
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To: vimto
===and just agreed 600 more troops for Afghanistan===

I heard about 2,000 more troops to be sent there. This, at least, is the suggestion of one of the Polish top military commanders who claims that without substantial reinforcement of our contingent, soon it will be impossible to successfully control the area of the Polish zone.

19 posted on 12/04/2009 9:15:44 AM PST by Matt_Rel
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To: Matt_Rel
To count on USA? Turned her back on us long time ago!

The US government may have, but there are plenty of Americans who support the Polish people. I count myself among them. I'd be disrespecting my Polish grandmother if I didn't.

With due respect, the small town of Wielun lost more citizens in the first minute of WWII after Luftwaffe airraid than all victims of WTC.


20 posted on 12/04/2009 9:27:07 AM PST by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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