Posted on 11/17/2009 7:28:55 AM PST by AJKauf
Someone recently forwarded me a “technical report” that claims that it is possible to run automobiles on water — with this miraculous build-it-yourself gadget that converts water into hydrogen and oxygen, then converts it to fuel that you use in addition to gasoline. (It was being distributed by email to break the conspiracy that keeps us all from using water to run our cars!)
As much as I would love to believe that such a thing is possible, I know better. Of course, that’s because I’ve seen this sort of idiocy before. Back in the 1970s, when I was young, the equivalent claim was that there were 200-mile-per-gallon carburetors that had been suppressed by the automobile companies, at the insistence of the oil companies.
The first part of the claim was absurd. ....
(Excerpt) Read more at pajamasmedia.com ...
P.T.Barnum was a wise man.
A car will go about as far on water as our nation has been going on the Kenyan Klod’s “intelligence”.
This is a bunch of BS....it’s simple physics....It can’t be done...how can you use less energy to create more energy....but here are a lot of people making money selling these “Kits” and info on how to do it.....There are just to many fools out there.....
A fool and his money are soon parted:
The original quote from tusser is: "A foole and his money be soone at debate: which after with sorow repents him too late." T. Tusser 1573 in the "Five Hundred Points of Good Husbandry"
Yes, you can run a car all day long on just plain old water!
You just have to break it down into it’s elements: hydrogen and oxygen, a very simple task using ELECTRICITY!!!!
There is no free lunch in energy; you don’t get out more than you put in...
I heard that one not too long ago.
True, you can supplement your gas with HHO (2 parts hydrogen and 1 part oxygen) through electrolysis of water. I’m currently doing it on two of my cars. But, we are nowhere near being able to run completely on water alone. At best, you can increase your mileage 20%. Typically, you won’t exceed much more than 10% increase. Some people get no increase...it depends on the vehicle and efficiency of the generator. Hydrogen burns much faster than gasoline and can actually benefit the combustion of gasoline, but we are restricted in our capability to improve fuel mileage because our engines are optimized for gasoline. The timing of our engines are made for the slower burning gasoline fuels. So, there is a point where too much HHO will actually be of no benefit. Furthermore, our sensors in our vehicles (oxygen, mass air flow, manifold air pressure, and temperature sensors) all are computed based on maximizing the burn of gasoline. So, to make much difference with these generators, you would have to reprogram the car’s computer to run better with the addition of HHO.
Even with reprogramming, these HHO generators do not produce enough fuel to run a vehicle. Nowhere close yet. But, having said that, you can increase your gas mileage somewhat with these systems depending on the vehicle you drive. But, they do have to be maintained and aren’t for people who aren’t willing to put in some time to check the water supply, refill when necessary, maintain proper electrolyte balance, keep from overheating and drawing too many amps.
THe “Brown’s gas” theory has been floating around for years. And while you read such technical reports with enthusiasm at first...a few pages in it becomes clear that the system simply won’t generate the results offered.
re: A fool and his money are soon parted
Or, as my Mom used to say: “A fool and his money are some party.”
***The first part of the claim was absurd. ....***
HEY, these things really work! I knew a man who, back in the 1970s, installed a GT Energy Chamber on his auto (Remember those?)guaranteed to save him five gallons on each tank of gas. Then he bought a magnetic molecule aligner and installed it on his car, guaranteed to save him three gallons on each tank of gas. Then he bought a special fuel additive and put it in his tank, then special spark plugs all guaranteed to save gallons on each tank.
Now he had a problem. He saved so much in gas every thirty miles he had to stop and drain out five gallons to keep his tank from overflowing!;-D
The usual claim is that by adding the “Brown’s gas” (i.e. a mixture of two parts hydrogen and one part oxygen) resulting from the electrolysis of water that the combustion efficiency of the engine is improved. I see little or no reason to believe that this is possible, however - modern engines are combusting the fuel-air mixture about as efficiently as possible, slightly biased towards low nitrogen oxide emissions over the highest possible fuel economy. There’s no significant amount of unburned fuel leaving the combustion chamber, which shows that the combustion is efficient.
Another claim that is made is that the electrolysis unit uses excess “waste” electricity from the alternator which would otherwise be dumped into the regulator’s heat sink. This may actually be true in some cases, although the amounts involved are pretty tiny.
Interesting. How much do you have tied up in breaking down the water into Hydrogen & Oxygen. I am not being sarcastic, I just want to know. I have always thought if they could come up with a way to cheaply break down water, you still have transportation and storage problems that would have to be surmounted. I just don’t know about a tank of hydrogen at 900 PSI under my butt on the car or 900 PSI hydrogen filled tankers and pipelines.
Have you used this yourself?
Agreed!!!!!!!
“Stan Meyer’s Dune Buggy that ran on water. Hydrogen/Oxygen fuel in an ICE motor. On board electrolysis, no hydrogen tanks, no bombs on-board, just water. (1998) It ran 100 miles per gallon! The 2nd best inventor of the Century, besides Tesla, who was and will always be #1.
He was a shame to hear that he was poisoned (March 98’) and longer with us. He died in the parking lot of a restaurant in his home town of Grove City, Ohio. Sharks came a week later and stole the the dune buggy and all of his experimental equipment, according to his brother, Stephen. Now we found that Stan’s friend : Ted Holbrook, actually took all of Stan’s equipment, to hide it from the sharks. Last year 07, Ted, passed of old age and his wife, or associates, realitives sold the buggy to Aero2012. Stan said while he was alive, that he was threatened many times and would not sell out to Arab Oil Corp.s The Military was going to use this technology in their tanks, jeeps, etc. He had patents on his invention and was ready for production. Only $1,500 to equip your car! No gasoline, just water. Stanley said he was offered a billion dollars from an Arab to basically shelf his idea. Stan said, “no, this technology is for the people.” Who you suppose poisoned Stan? A jealous onlooker? Do you think the Oil Corp.’s are happy to see a converted car running for FREE??”
Add Stan to a list of several people who have invented “overenergy devices” and died not to tell about it.
“But, we are nowhere near being able to run completely on water alone.”
Nor will we ever be able to... A 100 amp car alternator can put out a little less than 2 horsepower worth of electricity. And guess what? It takes more than 2 horsepower from the car engine to tun it with that load. So your not getting any free electricity.
And, two horsepower won’t run your lawnmower or even the AC in your car...
There is no such thing as excess or waste energy from the alternator.
Alternators/Generators produce electricity based on load in the connected circuit. Each time another device is switched on it lowers the impedance (resistance) in the total electrical circuit resulting in more amps to maintain the same voltage. This in turn requires more torque if the RPMs do not increase. More required torque consumes more fuel from the engine.
It is small relative to the engine loads through the drive train, but it is an increase directly in proportion to the addition load plus all inefficiencies in each piece of connected equipment.
When I lived in Australia in the 80’s, an elderly woman told me that during WW II when fuel was scarce, they had pick-up trucks that ran on water. She saw them with her own eyes. Said they had some contraption in the back that used firewood as a fuel source, but was not a steam engine. They disappeard when the war was over, she said.
I should mention that the woman had been knighted by Queen Elizabeth for her philanthropic service to the country.
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