Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

There are still too many houses
CNN ^ | 11/10/09 | Colin Barr

Posted on 11/14/2009 8:38:55 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster

There are still too many houses

House prices have pulled out of their free fall, but don't expect them to recover until we work through a huge property glut.

By Colin Barr, senior writer

Last Updated: November 11, 2009: 9:08 AM ET NEW YORK (Fortune) -- The lights are on in the housing market. But at more and more places, nobody's home.

House prices have risen in recent months after a long plunge, according to the National Association of Realtors and the S&P Case-Shiller national index. Fewer Americans owe more than their property is worth, according to a report this week from Zillow.com.

But a full-fledged housing recovery will remain elusive until the market can absorb all the houses and apartments that were built during the housing boom. And on that front, progress has been slow.

About one in seven housing units was vacant in the third quarter, according to the Census Department. This year has registered the highest reading since the government began collecting such data in 1965.

(Excerpt) Read more at money.cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: housingmarket; oversupply
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-30 next last

1 posted on 11/14/2009 8:38:56 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: TigerLikesRooster; PAR35; AndyJackson; Thane_Banquo; nicksaunt; MadLibDisease; happygrl; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 11/14/2009 8:39:27 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster (LUV DIC -- L,U,V-shaped recession, Depression, Inflation, Collapse)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: TigerLikesRooster

Housing prices are still too high for the majority of Americans. I don’t see a problem here.

More “free fall” is in order.


3 posted on 11/14/2009 8:41:24 AM PST by Tempest (I believe in the sanctity of life... As long as you can afford it.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: TigerLikesRooster
Yep, ever since the sub-prime illegals high tailed it back over the border, leaving America with a financial mess, there are way too many houses.
4 posted on 11/14/2009 8:43:47 AM PST by Tarpon (To destroy the people's liberties, you poison their morals ...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Tempest
I think government/Fed feel that the free fall should be made more exciting. Hence, they are jacking up the market higher. That way, we can fall longer and deeper. The ultimate thrill? We will see.
5 posted on 11/14/2009 8:45:10 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster (LUV DIC -- L,U,V-shaped recession, Depression, Inflation, Collapse)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Tarpon

the illegals also slapped together a lot of homes. They are built like sh*t with Chinese drywall and other garbage. The homes are falling apart.

I had to fly to Miami a few weeks ago to attend a business meeting on South Beach. This was ground zero for the condo boom and they are still building crap. The place is horrible because it is as crowded as Manhattan. Tonwhouses and condos shoe horned into any piece of land they can find.


6 posted on 11/14/2009 8:47:40 AM PST by Frantzie (Judge David Carter - democrat & dishonorable Marine like John Murtha.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: TigerLikesRooster
There are still too many houses

There is no such thing as too many houses, or too few buyers.

Adam Smith's Invisible Hand will take care of this with free market forces.

What the author means to say is that the prices requested by the seller is too high given the supply available.

Better put is that your house is only worth what the next person is willing to pay for it.

7 posted on 11/14/2009 8:47:49 AM PST by Mikey_1962 (Obama: The Affirmative Action President)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: TigerLikesRooster

I don’t see how the housing market EVER recovers in the next 20 years in regards to building.

I hear people say it’s 2 or 3 years. I don’t see it, at all.


8 posted on 11/14/2009 8:50:28 AM PST by CommieCutter ("You wanted the presidency, you got it, now FIX THE DAMN ECONOMY!!!!" ----YankeeReb)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Mikey_1962

Better put is that your house is only worth what the next person is willing to pay for it.


I’m glad I’m in the house that I want to spend the rest of my life in, I just hope I can keep it with all of this currency mess we’re currently going through.


9 posted on 11/14/2009 8:52:54 AM PST by CommieCutter ("You wanted the presidency, you got it, now FIX THE DAMN ECONOMY!!!!" ----YankeeReb)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: CommieCutter
I don’t see how the housing market EVER recovers in the next 20 years in regards to building.

I do. It's called a massive influx of "legalized" illegal immigrants.

Make no mistake about it -- this was exactly what the 2007 Federal immigration reform was all about. It's no accident that the real estate market began to unravel so soon after that bill failed to pass in Congress.

10 posted on 11/14/2009 8:59:15 AM PST by Alberta's Child (God is great, beer is good . . . and people are crazy.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Frantzie

Technically the building inspectors are responsible for what you said. Like with Andrew it was not found out until it was too late. The building inspectors in Florida are a corrupt bunch.


11 posted on 11/14/2009 9:11:51 AM PST by Tarpon (To destroy the people's liberties, you poison their morals ...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: CommieCutter
I’m glad I’m in the house that I want to spend the rest of my life in...

That's how people traditionally veiwed their houses. It got perverted into an investment not a house.

12 posted on 11/14/2009 9:23:47 AM PST by Mikey_1962 (Obama: The Affirmative Action President)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: Alberta's Child

I propose to legalize all illegals....after the invasion of Mexico.


13 posted on 11/14/2009 9:32:56 AM PST by MinorityRepublican
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: Mikey_1962
There is no such thing as too many houses, or too few buyers.

Sure there are, just like there were too many hula hoops. At a certain point production can exceed the ability of the market to absorb the product at any reasonable price.

Sure, there is a market clearing price = prospective land value - cost of clearing the junk + scrap value of the removed junk - risk premium on the residual.

I am not sure that THAT market clearing price is the price that anyone including yourself is presently contemplating. Even if you were to give houses away there is a limit because even free is not free - property taxes + maintenance costs + transportation costs of even getting to the place.

14 posted on 11/14/2009 9:58:12 AM PST by AndyJackson
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Tempest
"Housing prices are still too high for the majority of Americans."

This is what I hear from the "compassionate" MSM all the time. But the home-ownership reached 69% before the crisis, and stayed at about 65% for decades.

By what measure is 65% not a majority?

It just shows how nonsensiscal, populist phrases penetrated our speech.

15 posted on 11/14/2009 10:00:43 AM PST by TopQuark
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: TopQuark

By the measure that the homeownership percentage was achieved through bad loans, 0 down 1% interest rates that were frankly not sustainable and that lead stupid people into a false sense of comfort.

Then of course theirs our consumption addicted attitudes that have us living way beyond our means.


16 posted on 11/14/2009 10:29:21 AM PST by Tempest (I believe in the sanctity of life... As long as you can afford it.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: TopQuark

Plus you also obvioussly misunderstood my statement which did not refer to present ownership, but was directed towards individuals without homes looking at getting innto new homes. Which is based on median income vs. average housing prices.


17 posted on 11/14/2009 10:31:40 AM PST by Tempest (I believe in the sanctity of life... As long as you can afford it.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: Tempest

More “free fall” is in order.

You are right, and about 5% of americans understand this.


18 posted on 11/14/2009 11:57:17 AM PST by genghis
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Tempest
I don't really know what confused you in my post. You had stated that majority of Americans cannot afford homes. I pointed out that it was patently false: FOR DECADES now we had home-ownership at the level of about 65%, which is BY DEFINITION a majority.

You now claim it is unsustainable, which is also false: something existing for DECADES is prima facie SUSTAINABLE.

Just think a little more before you hit the Post button.

19 posted on 11/14/2009 11:58:31 AM PST by TopQuark
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: TopQuark

Reading comprehension is obviously not your strong suit...

But CAPLOCK obviously is...


20 posted on 11/14/2009 12:15:39 PM PST by Tempest (I believe in the sanctity of life... As long as you can afford it.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-30 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson