Posted on 11/12/2009 4:25:08 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
GOUVERNEUR, NY - Despite the fact that Bill Owens has already been sworn-in and has voted on crucial legislation in the House of Representatives, he may not have actually won the NY-23 Congressional Special Election.
Several errors were made during the initial vote counts. Over 2,000 votes for contender Doug Hoffman were not counted in the preliminary results, narrowing the current vote gap to less than 3,000 votes between Democrat Bill Owens and Conservative Doug Hoffman.
The errors were discovered during the standard vote recanvas that has been underway since November 4th. The largest error occurred in Oswego County where the vote recanvas found a discrepancy of more than 1,200 votes in Doug Hoffman's favor. Another error, in Jefferson County contributed an additional 700 votes in Hoffman's favor during the recount.
The election was close enough even on election night that the New York State Board of Elections was unable to present a "clear decision" in the race according to John Conklin, Communications Director for the department. He said that the Board sent a letter to the Clerk of the House of Representatives in Washington indicating that they could not yet determine a winner and could therefore not certify the election until after the recanvas and absentee ballot count. Those final numbers will not be available until at least mid-December.
Nancy Pelosi was only able to legally swear-in Bill Owens because Doug Hoffman had conceded the election, indicating that he did not contest the initial, and now shown erroneous, results, something he may not have done if he had been aware of how close the election was.
Mr. Hoffman told the Gouverneur Times that he felt at the time that he "was being a good sport" in doing so. With 93% of the polls in and counted and a margin of over 5,000 votes in favor of Owens, he felt he had lost the election. He now says that "while hindsight is 20/20, if I had known it was that close, I probably would have waited."
Bill Owens was sworn in 2 days later and proceeded to vote in favor of Pelosi's health care bill the following day. While Mr. Hoffman feels that deliberately contesting the results of the election to prevent Owens' deciding vote in the Health Care bill would "not have been very sportsmanlike," and that he, personally, would not like to see a politician manipulate events in that manner, he also indicated that the good of the American people and the citizens of the 23rd district would have weighed in on that decision as well.
As it stands now, Bill Owens may be in Washington and voting the Pelosi Party line but when the vote is certified he may be ousted. The state Board of Elections indicated that "...all ballots will be counted, and if the result changes, Owens will have to be removed." Concession speech or not, if the voters in the 23rd District elected Doug Hoffman and not Bill Owens, then Hoffman will be the Representative.
There are currently over 10,000 uncounted absentee ballots, many of which were in the military where a strongly conservative bias exists. Given the narrow margin of Owens' lead at this time, it's entirely possible that this race could still swing for Hoffman.
Sources indicate that the Democrats would not have had the votes to pass the Health bill if Owens had not been sworn-in and pledged his support for it. Several other Representatives have indicated that they would not have cast their votes in favor of the bill if they were not certain that it had the votes to win.
I found it actually STUPID that Hoffman was so naive to concede the election with ALL the irregularities taking place in his strongholds alone. As a matter of fact, my thought was if this man is this easy who needs him in the house where all a conservative does is FIGHT....he laid down for the rats. Geezzz...this made me mad then now I’m even madder...if he’d not conceded the rat Owens wouldn’t have been sworn in and wouldn’t have voted for the health bill...WHEN are conservatives going to EVER learn!!!!
That is about right as the margin is probably within the percentage that they will have to recount completely. This could get very interesting.
They had problems with some machines not working and went to paper ballots. They said all night a group of precincts would not be counted until the next morning. Whoever advised Hoffman to concede doesn’t understand politics. When he received no votes in a County, they had to know something was wrong. Maybe instead of all the high profile people trying to outdo each other, one of them could have given him a campaign consultant who understood what could happen with the voting and be prepared.
Oh but they sure are in North Ogden, UT! This is the first time that they’ve EVER done it here! They had a paper out there to tell you what is acceptable. Of course, any picture (state dr.license, military, state id, student id...)is allowed as usual. If you don’t have that, you can use 2 forms of other ids, such as: soc. sec. cards., utility bills, insurance cards, etc. (as long as they are current!).
They are very picky about what they will accept in the second category. I’ve never seen them do that before! Our little city/town is fairly conservative still, and family-oriented. They’ve never had problems, that I’ve known of! Yet they just started that this year!
So let me get this straight....
So if Hoffman was sworn in by Nancy Pelosi, even though they were not certified by the state and it turns out Hoffman did not win the election. Congress will have the final say in this matter?
How is that legal?
Each House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members
I didn't say it was right. I just know how Democrats operate. And with seating members, it won't be the first time that Democrats seated a Representative who got fewer votes than his Republican opponent. (See: Frank McClosky)
This sorta makes the 220 votes on Obamacare important. If Owens’ vote was illegal the count drops to 219 and we owe a LA Republican a big FU in 2010.
amen brother.
Law is a joke. There is a need for disorder
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