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The Fall of Mexico
Atlantic Monthly ^ | November 11, 2009 | Philip Caputo

Posted on 11/11/2009 3:01:18 PM PST by Arec Barrwin

The Atlantic Foreign Affairs December 2009

In the almost three years since President Felipe Calderón launched a war on drug cartels, border towns in Mexico have turned into halls of mirrors where no one knows who is on which side or what chance remark could get you murdered. Some 14,000 people have been killed in that time, the worst carnage since the Mexican Revolution, and part of the country is effectively under martial law. Is this evidence of a creeping coup by the military? A war between drug cartels? Between the president and his opposition? Or just collateral damage from the (U.S.-supported) war on drugs? Nobody knows: Mexico is where facts, like people, simply disappear. The stakes for the U.S. are high, especially as the prospect of a failed state on our southern border begins to seem all too real.

(Excerpt) Read more at theatlantic.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Mexico; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: drugs; mexico; prohibition; wod
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1 posted on 11/11/2009 3:01:18 PM PST by Arec Barrwin
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To: Arec Barrwin

Mexico needs another revolution. Just like we do.


2 posted on 11/11/2009 3:14:25 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Arec Barrwin
Shows why we need to all be tough with recreational drug users.
3 posted on 11/11/2009 3:14:53 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Arec Barrwin
How many people live in Mexico?? How many Citizens claim residence in Mexico. The reason I ask, with the porous boarders we no have. No luck in stopping the Illegals, why don't we just take the country over, go down there, clean up the drug mess, and go from there.I live in Las Vegas, we have more than our share of Illegals, but the ones I know and see are hard working people, both husbands and wives, all they want is a job to support their family. Why not save the money we spend trying to keep them out, and use it to help them get a life. I am not for the Balkanization of our nation, but what we are doing is not working.
4 posted on 11/11/2009 3:15:50 PM PST by BooBoo1000 (" Beware of Humanity, it's a bad breed after all")
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To: Arec Barrwin

YEP the wonderful WOD


5 posted on 11/11/2009 3:16:51 PM PST by uncbob
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To: Arec Barrwin

Has anyone asked how a country, whose race and culture blends technologically advanced native American and European races and cultures, and which has abundant natural resources and an admired work ethic, turn into such a cesspool?


6 posted on 11/11/2009 3:18:14 PM PST by uscabjd
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To: Arec Barrwin
Now,more than ever,a wall from the Gulf to the Pacific...20 feet high...fortified...manned...electronic surveillance...
7 posted on 11/11/2009 3:20:40 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Host The Beer Summit-->Win The Nobel Peace Prize!)
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To: Arec Barrwin
Mexico is a nation of corrupt retards that continuously stops itself from naturally imploding by sending its most violent and retarded cast-offs to America.

I wish Mexico would collapse, the fragments would catch fire and burn to ash, and the ashes scattered to the wind, and the wind deposit the ashes over the deepest part of the ocean, and the ocean swallow the dust.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

8 posted on 11/11/2009 3:21:03 PM PST by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: uscabjd

In my opinion, Mexico was cursed with the Spanish system of government and its attendant morality. Countries founded by England have fared much better.


9 posted on 11/11/2009 3:21:07 PM PST by Arec Barrwin
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To: Arec Barrwin

PRI will wi the next electiom and the old system and quiet will return!


10 posted on 11/11/2009 3:25:11 PM PST by dalereed
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To: The Comedian

I tend to agree with you.


11 posted on 11/11/2009 3:25:47 PM PST by Jackknife (Chuck Norris grinds his coffee with his teeth, and boils his water with his rage)
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To: Arec Barrwin


Yes, I'm afraid it's just a matter of time now.
13 posted on 11/11/2009 3:27:28 PM PST by khnyny
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To: Arec Barrwin

You are 100% correct.


14 posted on 11/11/2009 3:27:37 PM PST by Rumplemeyer
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To: uscabjd
Indeed. San Diego and Tijuana are only a few miles apart, share an enviable Mediterranean climate, abundant natural resources, glorious beaches, and deep natural harborage.

Yet while San Diego is rightly called “America's finest city”, Tijuana is a cesspool beyond description.

The difference is culture. We have a capitalist economy, and they have an exploitation economy. We have a vibrant middle class, they have the worlds wealthiest individual and a bunch of ‘el Indio’peasants. We have property rights and the rule of law, they have a kleptocracy where nothing is yours if someone better connected than you wants it.

Someone also explained it to me thusly. In America everyone involved/interested gets a piece of the pie AFTER the pie is baked; thus everyone has an interest in making sure things get done and the next pie is planned. In Mexico (and elsewhere) everyone wants their cut off the top, off the books; and once they get their cut they have little or no interest in making sure what you paid them to get done actually gets done.

15 posted on 11/11/2009 3:29:21 PM PST by allmendream (Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be RE-distributed?)
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To: Arec Barrwin

Bttt - I’ve been a fan of the author’s since “A Rumor of War.”


16 posted on 11/11/2009 3:34:59 PM PST by Tax-chick (My taxes pay Anoreth's salary or Dad's pension.)
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To: A CA Guy
“Shows why we need to all be tough with recreational drug users.”

You are exactly right. We can rant all we like about the corruptness of Mexico, Afghanistan, Columbia, etc, but these countries and others are merely supplying demand. If we (U.S.) should take a zero tolerance policy against drugs and put some tough sentencing laws into effect the drug supply would dry up pronto as there would be no buyers. But, that ain't gonna happen...

17 posted on 11/11/2009 3:35:22 PM PST by snoringbear (Government is the Pimp,)
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Shows why we need to all be tough with recreational drug users.

Why is that exactly?

18 posted on 11/11/2009 3:36:01 PM PST by humblegunner
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To: snoringbear

Recreational drugs and all surrounding it risks turning us also into a Mexico.


19 posted on 11/11/2009 3:37:08 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Arec Barrwin

Spanish, Austrian, French,, Europe had profound effects on Mexico. Thats why they make some first class beers, and have the worst governnment. Like all former Euro colonies,, they were ruined.

And England was no picnic either. A very nasty little nation to it’s colonies, and while not an enemy of the USA, certainly never above doing *anything imaginable* to us if it helps them.

As recently as WWI it was assumed by the US Navy that fighting against England was always a rational possibility. This special friendship thing is a recent phenomenon.

And not to mention almost every war we face today is the remnant of British colonialism. Pakistan vs India,, Iraq was created out of thin air by England, same for the Saudis, Israel, Palestine (whatever it is), Syria, etc,,,

It’s the supreme irony that as the only power without colonies, we have spent 60 years cleaning up Europes messed up colonies. Vietnam, Haiti, Somalia, Kuwait, Iraq, Pakistan,,,etc,, Fairly amazing.


20 posted on 11/11/2009 3:37:27 PM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs earn thi title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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