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Inside the Gunman's Mosque
The Daily Beast's ^ | November 7, 2009 | Asra Q. Nomani

Posted on 11/08/2009 6:22:06 PM PST by george76

Not long ago, inside the quiet library of the Muslim Community Center here in Silver Spring, Maryland, a suburb of Washington, D.C., Golam Akhter, a local Bangladeshi-American civil engineer, 67, got into a fierce debate with a young Muslim doctor over how to interpret the concept of “jihad” within Islam. Akhter argued, “Jihad means an inner struggle, fighting against corruption and injustice.”

The young doctor responded. “That’s not a correct interpretation. Jihad means holy war. When your religion isn’t safe, you have to fight for it. If someone attacks you, you must fight them. That is jihad. You can kill someone who is harming you.”

A closer look reveals a complex picture of a young first-generation American Muslim man living a life of dissonance between his identity as an American and his ideology as a Muslim who had accepted a literal, rigid interpretation of Islam.

The conversation would be just another theological debate, interesting but irrelevant, except that the doctor was Maj. Nidal Hasan, 39, the gunman in the tragic Fort Hood rampage. ..

“So many times I talked with him,” said Akhter, a community leader who is sort of like a mosque gadfly, challenging congregants to reject literal, rigid interpretations of Islam. “I was trying to modernize him. I tried my best. He used to hate America as a whole. He was more anti-American than American.”

Despite all the conversations, Akther said, “I couldn’t get through to him. He was a typical fundamentalist Muslim.”

The story of Hasan at his local mosque is a cautionary tale to all Muslim communities ... Part of the problem is that many Muslims are clinging to the notion of an “ummah,” or “community,” with a capital “U,” a view that inhibits dissent and encourages blind loyalty to a global Islam.

(Excerpt) Read more at thedailybeast.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; US: Maryland; US: Texas; US: Virginia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: army; globalislam; holywar; islam; jihad; jihadist; muslim; muslims; terrorism
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1 posted on 11/08/2009 6:22:10 PM PST by george76
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DHS needs to be out interviewing all the Imams to find those who preach this Wahhabist Jihad.


2 posted on 11/08/2009 6:25:27 PM PST by Paladin2
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Cannot post this enough. I’m sure the %’s are outdated, but it get the message across loud and clear!!

“As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:

Nation % Muslim
United States 1.0%
Australia 1.5%
Italy 1.5%
Norway 1.8%
Canada 1.9%
China 2.0%

At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs:

Nation % Muslim
Denmark 2.0%
United Kingdom 2.7%
Germany 3.7%
Spain 4.0%
Thailand 4.6%

From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. (United States).

Nation % Muslim
Switzerland 4.3%
Philippines 5.0%
Sweden 5.0%
The Netherlands 5.5%
Trinida and Tabago 5.8%
France 8.0%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world. When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions (Paris –car-burnings). Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats (Amsterdam - Mohammed cartoons).

Nation % Muslim
Guyana 10.0%
India 13.4%
Israel 16.0%
Kenya 10.0%
Russia 15.0%

After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning:

Nation % Muslim
Ethiopia 32.8%

At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare:

Nation % Muslim
Bosnia 40.0%
Chad 50.1%
Lebanon 59.7%

From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels:

Nation % Muslim
Albania 70.0%
Malaysia 60.4%
Qatar 77.5%
Sudan 70.0%

After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide:

Nation % Muslim
Bangladesh 83.0%
Egypt 90.0%
Gaza 98.7%
Indonesia 86.1%
Iran 98.0%
Iraq 97.0%
Jordan 92.0%
Morocco 98.7%
Pakistan 97.0%
Syria 90.0%
Tajikistan 90.0%
Turkey 99.8%
United Arab Emirates 96.0%

100% will usher in the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam’ — the Islamic House of Peace — there’s supposed to be peace because everybody is a Muslim: Nation % Muslim
Yemen 99.9%
Afghanistan 100.0%
Saudi Arabia 100.0%
Somalia 100.0%

Of course, that’s not the case. To satisfy their blood lust, Muslims then start killing each other for a variety of reasons.”

– Leon Uris, “The Haj” Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond’s book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threats


3 posted on 11/08/2009 6:29:37 PM PST by mouse1
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To: george76
From the article:

"Despite all the conversations, Akther said, 'I couldn’t get through to him. He was a typical fundamentalist Muslim.'"

4 posted on 11/08/2009 6:30:32 PM PST by Clive
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And this known jihadist who supported terrorism was tolerated and promoted within the US Army.

What a shameful episode! There is greater dereliction of duty here than in Beirut 1983.

Radical Islam is an insane murder cult; moderate Islam is its Trojan Horse in the West.

5 posted on 11/08/2009 6:36:29 PM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: mouse1

Great post.


6 posted on 11/08/2009 6:37:51 PM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: george76

The Jihadists have the tradition and laws of Islam and the words and deeds of their prophet on their side. Those who preach against them are apostates, by definition. In truth, the only good Muslim is a bad Muslim.


7 posted on 11/08/2009 6:40:43 PM PST by Hugin (Sarah Palin: accept no substitutes!)
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He used to hate America as a whole. He was more anti-American than American.”

Kind of like the current president.

8 posted on 11/08/2009 6:41:52 PM PST by Bahbah (Only dead fish go with the flow)
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To: Travis McGee
Radical Islam is an insane murder cult; moderate Islam is its Trojan Horse in the West.

That statement really cuts through the BS. I'm going to be repeating it whenever given the opportunity.
9 posted on 11/08/2009 6:46:35 PM PST by Trod Upon (Obama: Making the Carter malaise look good. Misery Index in 3...2...1)
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To: mouse1

Islam sounds like what happens when a virus takes over a human cell.


10 posted on 11/08/2009 6:53:11 PM PST by Soothesayer9
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To: Trod Upon

Please do!


11 posted on 11/08/2009 6:59:33 PM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Paladin2
DHS needs to be out interviewing all the Imams to find those who preach this Wahhabist Jihad.

The Imams are all too busy attending Obama inter-faith beer bashes, and getting appointed to jobs inside DHS.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

12 posted on 11/08/2009 7:06:15 PM PST by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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Give Akhter credit. At least he is trying to engage people and get them to fit in. He’s trying to bring about a reformation in his religion.


13 posted on 11/08/2009 7:06:58 PM PST by Clock King (There's no way to fix D.C.)
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To: george76

I have always suspected that Islam, and to some extent, Judaism, are not simply religions in and of themselves, but more or less religious theocracies. I suspect St. Peter wanted a theocracy as well, and earned Jesus rebuke when he cut off the High Priest’s ear. Reminds me of Christ saying “Reject the world and everything in it, for my kingdom is not of it”. A few times the crowds tried to force a crown on Jesus’ head, only he slipped away from them.

I think the AntiChrist will do what Jesus did not want to do. Namely, make a “Heavenly kingdom” on Earth.


14 posted on 11/08/2009 7:31:29 PM PST by Soothesayer9
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To: Clock King

Akhter, like so many other “moderate muslims” will either learn to keep his mouth shut or he will most likely end up dead. These guys aren’t very sharp, but they have a system based on brutality that is hard to beat.


15 posted on 11/08/2009 7:35:55 PM PST by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: george76

“Inside the Gunman’s Mosque”

Oh, I thought it was a new first-person-shooter video game.

My bad.


16 posted on 11/08/2009 7:41:00 PM PST by PLMerite (Was: Speak Truth to Stupid. Now: Ride to the sound of the Guns.)
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To: mouse1

Great post. Thanks.

The mosques are our barracks, the domes our helmets, the minarets our bayonets, the believers our soldiers.


17 posted on 11/08/2009 7:43:00 PM PST by PGalt
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To: Clock King
Give Akhter credit. At least he is trying to engage people and get them to fit in.

I don't buy this claim. The media always pretends that it is a small radicalized minority that is the problem and cooks up some claims about how peaceful Islam is.

18 posted on 11/08/2009 8:39:16 PM PST by JimWayne
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To: Hugin
"In truth, the only good Muslim is a bad Muslim."

I think you said that wrong. Actually, it's, "the terrorist is a good muslim, cuz he practices his religion; the moderate or peaceful muslim is a bad muslim, cuz he doesn't practice his religion."

19 posted on 11/08/2009 9:12:39 PM PST by jackibutterfly
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To: george76

Thanks for posting. I was looking for this.


20 posted on 11/08/2009 9:16:44 PM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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