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AP Sources: Rampage gun purchased legally
The Associated Press (hosted on Google) ^ | November 7, 2009 | Lara Jakes and Devlin Barrett

Posted on 11/06/2009 9:50:24 PM PST by myknowledge

WASHINGTON — A 5.7-millimeter pistol used in the Fort Hood shooting was purchased legally by suspect Nidal Hasan at a Texas gun shop, law enforcement officials said Friday.

Army Col. John Rossi, deputy commander at Fort Hood, confirmed at a news conference late Friday in Texas that the two weapons carried by Hasan were not military arms, but "privately owned weapons ... purchased locally."

He said more than 100 rounds were fired during the attack.

Records indicate Hasan bought the FN 5.7 at store called "Guns Galore" in Killeen, Texas, in recent months and that gun was used in the attack that left 13 people dead, one of the officials said. The pistol has been dubbed a "cop killer" by those who have tried to stop its use.

The law enforcement officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the case.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; copkillergun; fnfiveseven; forthood; killeen; nidalmalikhasan; texas
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To: blackbart.223
I'm sorry to hear that.

My uncle was buried today. His son is a SEAL heading to Iraq for the fourth time. I started a new job, which I love, but it's working with kids who've been taken from abusive homes. Plus the attack on our troops, and the Matthews mindset about this "victim" terrorist.

So all of that is piling up on me tonight. But, it's ok, I come here and read articles and vent.

21 posted on 11/06/2009 10:23:21 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (Nothing is more exhilarating than philistine vulgarity.-- Vladimir Nabokov)
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To: Spktyr
"Citation for other pistol?"

It's what they said on Nightline this evening. They talked about both weapons, the number of shots fired as well as showing some computer animation that recreated the attack and the take-down. You might look at ABCNews.com for video on the Nightline page.

22 posted on 11/06/2009 10:23:26 PM PST by OldDeckHand (Obamacare - So bad, even Joe Lieberman isn't going to vote for it.)
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To: myknowledge
Really? I didn't know the FiveSeveN ran off of clips. I thought it ran off magazines.


23 posted on 11/06/2009 10:23:41 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Frantzie
"I am in no way a gun banner but this FNH’s ammo has a velocity higher than most rifle bullets."

Then you no nothing about firearms. A handgun is the weak sister to any rifle regardless of caliber. Do some research before you make a fool of yourself again.

24 posted on 11/06/2009 10:25:38 PM PST by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: blackbart.223

P*** off RINO.


25 posted on 11/06/2009 10:26:35 PM PST by Frantzie (Judge David Carter - democrat & dishonorable Marine like John Murtha.)
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To: Frantzie
No, misconception, maybe out of a FN90, but their is an appreciable loss of muzzle velocity from the pistol barrel. The particular round was designed as a smg/carbine round for European battlefields ,that could penetrate the body armor of the 90s.Some FN Products: FS-2000 (5.56), P-90, Five Seven Pictures, Images and Photos FN Pistol FN90 and FS2000(5.56)
26 posted on 11/06/2009 10:26:50 PM PST by redstateconfidential (`)
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To: redstateconfidential
Maybe the chicken sh*t joint chiefs need to get a pair with the muslim and allow troops to have sidearms or order them to wear full body armor on base. This POS was a Saudi agent or infiltrator.

Thanks to CAIR, liberals and PC - they did nothing about this known and agressive threat to the troops. Give all AMERICAN troops sidearms. Sadly we have a totally corrupt judiciary who allows troops votes to be stolen and tells troops they have no standing. Corrupt judges like Carter and Land to name just 2.

27 posted on 11/06/2009 10:31:51 PM PST by Frantzie (Judge David Carter - democrat & dishonorable Marine like John Murtha.)
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To: Spktyr
LOL

I am going to "borrow" that image, its a pet peeve of mine as well and that pic gets the point across much better than words.

28 posted on 11/06/2009 10:32:43 PM PST by voteNRA (A citizenry armed with rifles simply cannot be tyrannized)
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To: OldDeckHand
I saw a computer animation on MSNBC (I occassionally watch to see what the enemy is up to), and it was amateurish and ridiculous.

It appeared to show an assailant with a MAC-10 type weapon in each hand, and both were firing simultaneously and in FULL-auto mode.

Dumb-ass anti-gun msm pukes.

29 posted on 11/06/2009 10:34:06 PM PST by DocH (Official Right-Wing Extremist Veteran Seal Of Approval)
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To: Spktyr

You can usually establish who is ignorant when it comes to knowledge about, and experience with firearms, and it’s often referring to a weapon’s magazine as a “clip”.


30 posted on 11/06/2009 10:37:34 PM PST by DocH (Official Right-Wing Extremist Veteran Seal Of Approval)
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To: DocH
"Dumb-ass anti-gun msm pukes."

ABC's was fairly short and straightforward. It did show two handguns, and the rate of fire was reasonable. It's clear that if the civilian cop would have waited for backup - which seems to be the SOP in the actual civilian world - there would have been many more dead or wounded. She stopped him while he was literally shooting an already wounded soldier.

31 posted on 11/06/2009 10:37:49 PM PST by OldDeckHand (Obamacare - So bad, even Joe Lieberman isn't going to vote for it.)
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To: myknowledge

Any gun can be a cop killing gun.

THe significant thing abiout this gun is that the ammo was developed by FN for the FN 5.7 hand gun and the FN bull pup style full auto carbine.

Out of the FN pistol, this ammo reaches muzzle velocity between 1800 and 1900 fps, near rifle velocity.That is why only jhp ammo is available to civilians.The military ammo can pierce class II body armor.Military 5.7 x 28 mm ammo is not available to civilians.

This is not anymore a cop killing gun than any gun.But it has a 20 + 1 mag. Lots of shooting without recharging the gun, and the high velocity ammo would go through three bodies before exhausting itself, like a rifle.Hasan’s purchase looks premeditated.


32 posted on 11/06/2009 10:38:16 PM PST by Candor7 (The effective weapons Against Fascism are ridicule, derision, and truth (.Member NRA)
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To: Frantzie

Sorry, he’s right.

Out of the FiveSeveN, the 5.7x28 is only moving at 1650 fps and has only 242 ft-lbs of energy.

The AR-15 firing the ‘weak’ 5.56x45 rifle cartridge makes 3200 fps and develops 1200ft-lbs of energy.

The heavier M1 or FAL firing the .308 Winchester or 7.62 NATO cranks out 2754 ft/sec. The reason that round is sometimes known as “the meat axe” becomes clear when you discover that it has **2422** ft-lbs of energy.

In fact, the 5.7mm isn’t that far off from 9mm velocities. The 9mm 115gr pistol bullet travels at 1300fps and has 420 ft-lbs of energy.

Sorry, you’re wrong. It’s just not that good a round.


33 posted on 11/06/2009 10:38:38 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: DocH

Unless, of course, it’s one of the rare FALs and such that actually have both a detachable magazine and can load off a clip. :D


34 posted on 11/06/2009 10:39:48 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Frantzie
...or order them to wear full body armor on base.

Oh, I can just hear the reaction of our troops to all bases going to mandatory permanent U-Level 3.

That language would be salty enough to peel the paint off of the walls.

35 posted on 11/06/2009 10:41:53 PM PST by Allegra (It doesn't matter what this tagline says...the liberals are going to call it "racist.")
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To: Spktyr

You must be FN crazy.


36 posted on 11/06/2009 10:42:25 PM PST by DocH (Official Right-Wing Extremist Veteran Seal Of Approval)
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To: DocH
"You can usually establish who is ignorant when it comes to knowledge about, and experience with firearms, and it’s often referring to a weapon’s magazine as a “clip”."

The M1 Garand used a clip. The M14 uses a magazine as do my 1911 A1's

37 posted on 11/06/2009 10:43:36 PM PST by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: DocH

Well, yes. Browning/FN High Power/GP35 shooter from way back, and I like FALs a lot. :D


38 posted on 11/06/2009 10:43:48 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Candor7

IIRC, the 1800-1900 number is only with the P90, not the FiveSeveN.


39 posted on 11/06/2009 10:45:01 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Frantzie

Our own soldiers can get now get killed on American soil, because of the Democrat party’s 40 year goal of destroying Christianity and Western Civilization.


40 posted on 11/06/2009 10:45:35 PM PST by redstateconfidential (`)
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