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To: perfect_rovian_storm
We lost bigtime tonight. The other races were meaningless compared to this one. Winning this was imperative to teaching the GOP a lesson that it refuses to learn. I think that any meaningful win in 2010 is dead at this point, because we’ve lost the fight in our own party that needs to take place before we can win on the national stage.

You are correct. The message tonight is RINOs win and conservatives don't, despite huge donations from out of state, and backing from Rush, Palin, and the Tea Party.

I don't know why conservatives blew their load on this race.

Why did they think NY voters would embrace a conservative in a RINO seat? After failing to stop McCain in the primaries and failing to elect Palin. I have to assume a couple marches went well and conservatives thought it nullified the 08 elections and we could now afford to throw away congressional seats. Conservatives didn't stop a socialist on the SCOTUS, or the GM take over, and they haven't stopped Obamacare or cap and tax. All the political pull of the T-party power-brokers behind a spoiler. what a shame.

Conservatives sent a message to 0. The message is "The anti-obama constituency is so powerless they are fighting for second place. This is a good day to be a rat." The rats are willing to bend, overlook, and break any law to win. They will lie to win. They will pretend to be centrists. We can't do that for fear the conservatives will desert the party. Conservatives think the best way win is to bludgeon the inhabitants of Reagan's Big Tent.

The GOP promoted a moderate candidate in New York in a RINO seat. That is a winning stratagy. Hoffman got every conservative vote, and he lost. Conservatives should consider a strategy that expends less energy going after RINOs in favor of going after democrats ( the guys in power ), but they wont. Conservatives will blame the GOP leadership for an unelectable conservative failing to win in a liberal state.

The GOP now has 2 out of 31 congressional seats in NY.

122 posted on 11/03/2009 11:00:45 PM PST by Once-Ler (ProLife ProGun ProGod ProSoldier ProBusiness Republican To The Core)
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Does anybody know who appointed Dede Scozzafava to be the GOP candidate? He should resign from whatever position he holds in the GOP. World class bungle. I plan to write to GOPers in Congress and party organizations to demand it.


124 posted on 11/03/2009 11:06:53 PM PST by AlienCrossfirePlayer (No big tent!)
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To: Once-Ler

Your reasoning is weak.

The only reason Hoffman lost is because Dede’s friends still voted for her. If it was a true two-person race, just Hoffman and the Dem, Hoffman would have won.


128 posted on 11/03/2009 11:11:33 PM PST by Cedar
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To: Once-Ler
The GOP promoted a moderate candidate in New York in a RINO seat. That is a winning stratagy.

Winning for whom?

For the socially liberal cabal of Neocon Country Club Republican Establishment RINOs?

And for what agenda?

None of any value.

132 posted on 11/03/2009 11:19:52 PM PST by Z in Washington
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To: Once-Ler
The GOP promoted a moderate candidate in New York in a RINO seat.

The daily kos endorsed her because she was not a moderate, as her endorsement of the democrat and throwing the race proved.

daily kos endorsed Dede Scozzafava saying “fueled by the fact that Dede Scozzafava, the Republican, is actually the most liberal candidate in the race. (Heck, she has run on the very liberalWorking Families Party ballot line in the past.)

Sure, she is a Republican, and opposes the public option. But she’s been willing to raise taxes when budgets require it, and is to the left of most Democrats on social issues (including supporting gay marriage).”

Romney/Scozzafava 2012

135 posted on 11/03/2009 11:22:54 PM PST by ansel12
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To: Once-Ler

What I saw in NY 23 is that RINO’s can’t win and have no desire to impede the agenda of the Democrats. I saw that a RINO would rather see a Democrat win a congressional seat rather than anyone else from the conservative wing of their base do so. In fact, they go out of their way to ENDORSE Democrats!

So NY 23 taught me that RINOs are really Democrats.

Sorry! Ain’t votin’ for no liberal Democrats! Neither the aisle-crossing kind nor the real deal!


138 posted on 11/03/2009 11:27:00 PM PST by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: Once-Ler

Great great points. Thanks!


141 posted on 11/03/2009 11:30:35 PM PST by unsycophant
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To: Once-Ler

So, this loss is due to conservatives and has nothing to do with the fact that local party officials picked a candidate that was unnaceptable to her district (she had even been endorsed by Acorn) and then despite the NRCC pouring money into the race the Liberal Republican dropped like a rock in the polls. After dropping out of the race that “republican” candidate eventually endorsed the democrat. Perhaps this loss could better be blamed on the party bosses in NY and Scozzafava’s bitterness over her loss.


146 posted on 11/03/2009 11:36:11 PM PST by dschapin
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