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(UK) Minister admits: we got it wrong on immigration
The Times ^ | 11/3/2009 | Richard Ford

Posted on 11/03/2009 7:29:04 AM PST by markomalley

The Home Secretary admitted yesterday that the Government had made mistakes in its handling of immigration and had overreacted to the 7/7 bombings in London.

In his first speech on the subject, Alan Johnson said that ministers had ignored immigration problems and the growing pressure on jobs and services in parts of Britain. Some communities had legitimate concerns because they had been particularly affected.

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Mr Johnson is the first Labour Home Secretary to admit mistakes on immigration. He said his predecessors had not addressed problems that led to huge backlogs of asylum seekers and foreign national prisoners. It emerged in 2006 that there were up to 450,000 “legacy cases” that officials are now working through.

In his speech to the Royal Society for the Arts, Mr Johnson said: “There are communities which have been disproportionately affected by immigration, where people have legitimate concerns about the strain that the growth in the local population has placed on jobs and services.”

Labour had been “maladroit” in its handling of the issue but ending immigration altogether was “no sensible argument”. The Home Secretary also conceded that some counter-terror proposals made after the July 7 attacks had gone too far. “That probably was an understandable feeling — that we should be more draconian. But perhaps that wasn’t the right way to go,” he said.

The Prime Minister’s spokesman said that Mr Brown had not reviewed the comments in detail or in the context that they were made.

Chris Grayling, the Shadow Home Secretary, said: “What we need is a tightly controlled system with much lower levels of immigration and an annual cap on the number of people who come to live and work here.”

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; United Kingdom
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1 posted on 11/03/2009 7:29:05 AM PST by markomalley
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To: markomalley

The left causes major problems on a worldwide basis.


2 posted on 11/03/2009 7:31:37 AM PST by bergmeid
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To: markomalley

Recognizing and admitting you have a problem is always the first step to recovery. Maybe there’s a glimmer of hope for Britain after all.


3 posted on 11/03/2009 7:32:00 AM PST by jpl
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To: markomalley

America and Britain must adopt a New Zealand-style immigration system. Only those who can provide a provable benefit to our countries can be permitted entry. Engineers, scientists, etc. And no more asylum. Ever since some dope put the Socialist Emma Lazarus’ poem on the Statue of Liberty, people seem to think it is our job to take in all the refuse of the Third World. It is not.


4 posted on 11/03/2009 7:34:18 AM PST by montag813 (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. -George Orwell)
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To: markomalley

Read this carefully, esp here:

“The Home Secretary also conceded that some counter-terror proposals made after the July 7 attacks had gone too far. ‘That probably was an understandable feeling ? that we should be more draconian. But perhaps that wasn?t the right way to go,’ he said.”

It sounds like he thinks the mistake is that they didn’t streamline the system better to allow MORE jihadist immigration!


5 posted on 11/03/2009 7:35:51 AM PST by piytar (This tag deleted by the Ministry of Truth. Love Big Brother. Or else!)
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To: jpl
The destruction of Camelot that we have witnessed in my lifetime is the result of the triumph of left wing ideology over experience.


6 posted on 11/03/2009 7:36:35 AM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: markomalley

So the UK is apologizing for not bringing in MORE immigrants??


7 posted on 11/03/2009 7:37:28 AM PST by ConservativeMind (I love it every time a criminal dies at the hands of a victim.)
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To: markomalley

Enoch Powell was right 40 years ago and was crucified for his trouble.

‘As I look ahead, I am filled with foreboding. Like the Roman, I seem to see ‘the River Tiber foaming with much blood’. That tragic and intractable phenomenon which we watch with horror on the other side of the Atlantic but which there is interwoven with the history and existence of the States itself, is coming upon us here by our own volition and our own neglect. Indeed, it has all but come. In numerical terms, it will be of American proportions long before the end of the century. Only resolute and urgent action will avert it even now.’ — Rivers of Blood’ speech, 1968.


8 posted on 11/03/2009 7:39:13 AM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (a wild-eyed, exclusionist, birther religio-beast -- Daily Kos)
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To: jpl

“Recognizing and admitting you have a problem is always the first step to recovery.”

Not at all. This is just because criticism has got too high. This is just like the BBC “admitting to being biased”. Standard bull deflection of criticism.

They’ve known exactly what they were doing. The minute people get a bit angry, they work fast to calm them, treating people like a zoo of animals. They have layers of polling and know just how to control people.

Nothing will happen in Britain until it’s too late.

The only thing that could change Britain is a free medium like political radio, like Rush Limbaugh, but that would NEVER happen.


9 posted on 11/03/2009 7:42:07 AM PST by chuck_the_tv_out ( <<< click my name: now featuring Freeper classifieds)
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To: montag813

I have no problem with the poem on the Statue of Liberty. What I do have a problem with is the administration of that policy. We have opened our borders with absolutely no control and our government doesn’t have the will to control them. Ellis Island was there for a reason. We need to open it up again and put one on the southern border.


10 posted on 11/03/2009 7:43:00 AM PST by RC2
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To: markomalley

They destroyed the country on purpose and now they say “oh sorry.”

Start deporting these people - NOW

Screw it if they supposedly have citizenship.


11 posted on 11/03/2009 7:44:16 AM PST by Frantzie (Judge David Carter - democrat & dishonorable Marine like John Murtha.)
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To: montag813
no more asylum

I think we have done pretty well with most political exiles. The big problem is illegal immigration. Fix that and then worry about the details of legal immigration.

12 posted on 11/03/2009 7:44:30 AM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (a wild-eyed, exclusionist, birther religio-beast -- Daily Kos)
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To: jpl

Meh, there are plenty of drug addicts who know they are, but like the Labor/Left they can’t help but destroy themselves.And take out everyone else in the process.


13 posted on 11/03/2009 7:46:18 AM PST by redstateconfidential (`)
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To: markomalley

http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/arpaio_dobbs_attack/2009/11/01/280141.html?s=al&promo_code=8FE8-1


14 posted on 11/03/2009 7:47:00 AM PST by Ev Reeman
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

It is happening here too. Obama may destroy America. Too many loser want to watch college ball games and the NFLk while their kids are sold into slavery.


15 posted on 11/03/2009 7:48:16 AM PST by Frantzie (Judge David Carter - democrat & dishonorable Marine like John Murtha.)
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To: markomalley

Census Change Will Cost California Five House Seats

A proposal from Republican Sen. David Vitter to count only U.S. citizens and not illegal aliens in the 2010 census would cost California five congressional seats, a new analysis of census data reveals.

The Constitution requires that congressional districts be reapportioned every 10 years based on a count of the “persons” in each state. The 2010 census form does not ask about citizenship.

Vitter’s proposal would ban federal financing for the census if a citizenship question is not included. The Louisiana lawmaker argues that counting noncitizens would “artificially increase the population count” in states with large numbers of illegal aliens, and thereby give those states larger congressional delegations than they deserve.

An analysis by demographers at Queens College of the City University of New York found that not counting illegals would cost California five seats, and New York and Illinois one seat each.

Vitter’s proposal would enable Louisiana, Iowa, Michigan and Pennsylvania to avoid the expected loss of one seat, while Montana, North Carolina, Indiana, Oregon and South Carolina would each gain a seat, The New York Times reported.

If all residents are counted in 2010, Florida, Georgia, Arizona, Nevada and Utah would gain one seat and Texas would get three. Under Vitter’s proposal, Texas would gain only one seat, the analysis found.

Vitter said in mid-October that Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid wants illegals to be counted so that left-leaning states with large numbers of undocumented aliens will gain seats, according to The Hill newspaper.

Illegals counted in the 2000 census gave California up to five additional seats in Congress, according to Vitter, who said: “Basically states with large illegal populations, starting with California, are rewarded and other states are penalized.”

According to The Times, the prospects for Vitter’s proposal in the Democratic-controlled Senate are “doubtful.”


16 posted on 11/03/2009 7:48:39 AM PST by Ev Reeman
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To: markomalley
Labor is saying they got in wrong in the vain hope that no one remembers last week's story, by Andrew Neather, a former Labor Party functionary, who wrote a long article about how Labor's mass immigration policy deliberately and on purpose admitted million of aliens it knew would not assimilate into British society.

Melanie Phillips wrote of Neather's revelations:

It was therefore a politically motivated attempt by ministers to transform the fundamental make-up and identity of this country. It was done to destroy the right of the British people to live in a society defined by a common history, religion, law, language and traditions. It was done to destroy for ever what it means to be culturally British and to put another 'multicultural' identity in its place. And it was done without telling or asking the British people whether they wanted their country and their culture to be transformed in this way.

Spitefully, one motivation by Labour ministers was 'to rub the Right's nose in diversity and render their arguments out of date'.

Shades of Ted Kennedy. I'd vote for this guy, and I want our country to adopt his policies:

Chris Grayling, the Shadow Home Secretary, said: “What we need is a tightly controlled system with much lower levels of immigration and an annual cap on the number of people who come to live and work here.”

17 posted on 11/03/2009 7:49:19 AM PST by La Lydia
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

Followers of a religion that commands kill or convert, that commands takeover of the world by subterfuge & violence, have no place in civilized society.

Legal immigration is a huge problem for that reason.

The left always says America is a “nation of immigrants”, to deflect any criticism of immigration, but WHY? At some point the British immigrated to Britain. The indians immigrated to India. How long does it have to be to say “we have the right to this”?

No. The left’s argument is invalid. America has every right to say “this far and no further”.


18 posted on 11/03/2009 7:49:37 AM PST by chuck_the_tv_out ( <<< click my name: now featuring Freeper classifieds)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla; AuntB

Enoch Powell was right ping.


19 posted on 11/03/2009 7:49:56 AM PST by La Lydia
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To: markomalley

“I’m Tired” by Robert A. Hall

I’ll be 63 soon. Except for one semester in college when jobs were Scarce, and a six-month period when I was between jobs, but job-hunting every day, I’ve worked, hard, since I was 18.

Despite some health Challenges, I still put in 50-hour weeks, and haven’t called in sick in seven or eight years. I make a good salary, but I didn’t inherit my job or my income, and I worked to get where I am. Given the economy, there’s no retirement in sight, and I’m tired. Very tired.

I’m tired of being told that I have to “spread the wealth around” to people who don’t have my work ethic. I’m tired of being told the government will take the money I earned, by force if necessary, and give it to people too lazy or stupid to earn it.

I’m tired of being told that I have to pay more taxes to “keep people in their homes.” Sure, if they lost their jobs or got sick, I’m willing to Help But if they bought McMansions at three times the price of our Paid-off, $250,000 condo, on one-third of my salary, then let the left-wing Congress-critters who passed Fannie and Freddie and the Community Reinvestment Act that created the bubbl e help them with their own money.

I’m tired of being told how bad America is by left-wing millionaires like Michael Moore, George Soros, and Hollywood entertainers who live in luxury because of the opportunities America offers. In thirty years, if they get their way, the United States will have the economy of Zimbabwe , the freedom of the press of China , the crime and violence of Mexico , the tolerance for Christian People of Iran , and the freedom of speech of Venezuela . Won’t multiculturalism be beautiful?

I’m tired of being told that Islam is a “Religion of Peace when every day I can read dozens of stories of Muslim men killing their sisters, wives and daughters for their family “honor”; of Muslims rioting over some slight Offense; of Muslims murdering Christian and Jews because they aren’t “believers”; of Muslims burning schools for girls; of Muslims stoning Teenage rape victims to death for “adultery”; of Muslims mutilating the Genitals of little girls; all in the name of Allah, because the Qur’an and Shari’a law tells them to.

I’m tired of being told that “race doesn’t matter” in the post-racial world of Obama, when it’s all that matters in Affirmative action jobs, lower college admission and graduation standards for minorities (harming them the most), government contract set-asides, and in the appointment of US Senators from Illinois. I believe “a man should be judged by the content of his character, not by the color of his skin.” But, tolerance for the ghetto culture of violence and fatherless children hurts minorities more than anyone. I think it’s very cool that we have a black president and that a black child is doing her homework at the desk where Lincoln wrote the emancipation Proclamation. I just wish the black president was Condi Rice, or someone who believes more in freedom and the individual and less arrogantly of an all-knowing government.

I’m tired of a news media that thinks Bush’s fundraising and inaugural Expenses were obscene, but that think Obama’s, at triple the cost, were Wonderful. That thinks Bush exercising daily was a waste of presidential Time, but Obama exercising is a great example for the public to control Weight and stress, that picked over every line of Bush’s military records, but never demanded that Kerry release his, that slammed Palin, with Two years as governor, for being too inexperienced for VP, but touted Obama with three years as senator as potentially the best president ever. Wonder why people are dropping their subscriptions or switching to Fox News? Get a Clue. I didn’t vote for Bush in 2000, but the media and Kerry drove me to his camp in 2004.

I’m tired of being told that out of “tolerance for other cultures” we must let Saudi Arabia use our oil money to fund mosques and madrassa Islamic Schools to preach hate in America , while no American group is allowed to Fund a church, synagogue, or religious school in Saudi Arabia to teach love And tolerance.

I’m tired of being told I must lower my living standard to fight global warming, which no one is allowed to debate. My wife and I live in a two-bedroom apartment and carpool together five miles to our jobs. We also own a three-bedroom condo where our daughter and granddaughter live. Our carbon footprint is about 5% of Al Gore’s, and if you’re greener than Gore, you’re green enough.

I’m tired of being told that drug addicts have a disease, and I must help support and treat them, and pay for the damage they do. Did a giant germ rush out of a dark alley, grab them, and stuff white powder up their noses while they tried to fight it off? I don’t think gay people choose to be gay, but I damn sure think druggies chose to take drugs. And I’m tired of harassment from cool people treating me like a freak when I tell them I never tried marijuana.

I’m tired of illegal aliens being called “undocumented workers,” especially the ones who aren’t working, but are living on welfare or crime. What’s next? Calling drug dealers, Undocumented Pharmacists”? And, no, I’m not against Hispanics. Most of them are Catholic, and it’s been a few hundred years since Catholics wanted to kill me for my religion. I’m willing to fast track for citizenship any Hispanic person, who can speak English, doesn’t have a criminal record and who is self-supporting without family on welfare, or who serves honorably for three years in our military... Those are the citizens we need.

I’m tired of latte liberals and journalists, who would never wear the uniform of the Republic themselves, or let their entitlement-handicapped kids near a recruiting station, trashing our military. They and their kids can sit at home, never having to make split-second decisions under life and death circumstances, and bad mouth better people than themselves.

Do bad things happen in war? You bet. Do our troops sometimes misbehave? Sure.

Does this compare with the atrocities that were the policy of our enemies for the last fifty years-and still are? Not even close. So here’s the deal. I’ll let myself be subjected to all the humiliation and abuse that was heaped on terrorists at Abu Ghraib or Gitmo, and the critics can let themselves be subject to captivity by the Muslims who tortured and beheaded Daniel Pearl in Pakistan, or the Muslims who tortured and murdered Marine Lt. Col. William Higgins in Lebanon , or the Muslims who ran the blood-spattered Al Qaeda torture rooms our troops found in Iraq , or the Muslims who cut off the heads of schoolgirls in Indonesia , because the girls were Christian. Then we’ll compare notes. British and American soldiers are the only troops in history that civilians came to for help and handouts, instead of hiding from in fear.

I’m tired of people telling me that their party has a corner on virtue and the other party has a corner on corruption. Read the papers-bums are bipartisan. And I’m tired of people telling me we need bipartisanship. I live in Illinois , where the “ Illinois Combine” of Democrats has worked to loot the public for years. Not to mention the tax cheats in Obama’s cabinet as well.

I’m tired of hearing wealthy athletes, entertainers, and politicians of both parties talking about innocent mistakes, stupid mistakes or youthful mistakes, when we all know they think their only mistake was getting caught. I’m tired of people with a sense of entitlement, rich or poor. Speaking of poor, I’m tired of hearing people with air-conditioned homes, color TVs and two cars being called poor. The majority of Americans didn’t have that in 1970, but we didn’t know we were “poor.” The poverty pimps have to keep changing the definition of poor to keep the dollars flowing.

I’m real tired of people who don’t take responsibility for their lives and actions. I’m tired of hearing them blame the government, or discrimination, or big-whatever for their problems.

Yes, I’m damn tired. But I’m also glad to be 63. Because, mostly, I’m not going to have to see the world these people are making. I’m just sorry for my granddaughter.

Robert A. Hall is a Marine Vietnam veteran who served five terms in the Massachusetts State Senate.

It’s not the things we don’t know that get us in trouble. It’s the things we know that AIN’T so.


20 posted on 11/03/2009 7:52:57 AM PST by Ev Reeman
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