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To: Clemenza

You are wrong. We are going to turn it back. The fight isn’t over even though you seem to wish it to be so.


6 posted on 11/01/2009 2:14:10 PM PST by Maelstorm (Party like it's 1776!)
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To: Maelstorm

These initiatives have been losing support at a rate of 2% per year. The younger generation is much more comfortable with the idea of gay marriage.


10 posted on 11/01/2009 2:17:34 PM PST by Conservativism
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To: Maelstorm
I'm just giving a prediction. If you look at most surveys, opposition to gay marriage drops incrementally as you go down the age brackets.

Personally, I don't think there should be ANY government marriage, nor should the tax code favor married people.

BTW: I would vote against government-sanctioned same sex marriage if I were in Maine, if that is what you are wondering.

11 posted on 11/01/2009 2:18:11 PM PST by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: Maelstorm
I've said it on here before and not everyone concurred, but I agree with him. The poll shows that the only reason the law would be overturned is because of older voters. Every year, older people die and more younger people enter the electorate. Ten years ago, gay marriage bans passed by 70%-30% margins. Today, we're looking at a near even split. Why? The demographic trend. You're never going to convince majority of the 18 year olds in the world today that gays getting married is going to have any influence on their life at all because they grew up watching Will & Grace on television or reading blogs like Perez Hilton where he outs (often with photographic evidence) everyone from actors such as Will Smith to NFL players. For most young people, being gay is about as different as having blond hair or blue eyes in the same way that women working wasn't a big deal for the generation before us.

I'm a conservative on 99% of issues - I believe in limited government, the unconditional right to bear arms, a balanced budget, a strong national defense including a missle defense system, am Pro-Israel, pro-life, support low taxes, vehemently oppose Unions card-checks, and support the right of parents to determine the education and religious upbringing of their children without government interference. But you are not going to get me to tell someone that the government has the right to determine their private, consensual, relationship.

As a Christian, I have my own beliefs on the matter because I believe the Bible is my authority. That's a matter for my family and church. As a citizen of the Republic, I cannot support the idea that the public is going to determine whether or not two grown adults can enter into a legally binding contract (which is what marriage is in the eyes of the law).

Here's the kicker: I'm in my mid-twenties. Most of my friends feel the same way, and most all of them are identical on political issues (pro-life, pro-guns, pro-defense, etc.) I would bet a significant sum of cash that the earlier poster hit the time table on the head - within 20 years, gay marriage will be no more controversial than interracial marriage because my generation just doesn't care. I think anyone who thinks they can convince younger voters to change their position is living in a fool's paradise.

That's why I've also said that the best way for conservatism to win is to focus on the advice of Benjamin Franklin - we must appeal to voter's interest rather than reason. We must show them that conservatism means more money in their paycheck and less government in their lives. We must convince them that conservatism means the freedom to chose their own path without interference from a nanny state. The demographic trends show that on this issue, like racism in the United States, every day that goes by the demographics shift beneath our party, just like sands in an hourglass. Time is not on the side of those who believe in one man one woman marriage as many of us Christians do. To fail to recognize that reality is to fail to rationally and objectively look at the facts.

29 posted on 11/01/2009 3:45:24 PM PST by WallStreetCapitalist
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