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To: Maelstorm
I've said it on here before and not everyone concurred, but I agree with him. The poll shows that the only reason the law would be overturned is because of older voters. Every year, older people die and more younger people enter the electorate. Ten years ago, gay marriage bans passed by 70%-30% margins. Today, we're looking at a near even split. Why? The demographic trend. You're never going to convince majority of the 18 year olds in the world today that gays getting married is going to have any influence on their life at all because they grew up watching Will & Grace on television or reading blogs like Perez Hilton where he outs (often with photographic evidence) everyone from actors such as Will Smith to NFL players. For most young people, being gay is about as different as having blond hair or blue eyes in the same way that women working wasn't a big deal for the generation before us.

I'm a conservative on 99% of issues - I believe in limited government, the unconditional right to bear arms, a balanced budget, a strong national defense including a missle defense system, am Pro-Israel, pro-life, support low taxes, vehemently oppose Unions card-checks, and support the right of parents to determine the education and religious upbringing of their children without government interference. But you are not going to get me to tell someone that the government has the right to determine their private, consensual, relationship.

As a Christian, I have my own beliefs on the matter because I believe the Bible is my authority. That's a matter for my family and church. As a citizen of the Republic, I cannot support the idea that the public is going to determine whether or not two grown adults can enter into a legally binding contract (which is what marriage is in the eyes of the law).

Here's the kicker: I'm in my mid-twenties. Most of my friends feel the same way, and most all of them are identical on political issues (pro-life, pro-guns, pro-defense, etc.) I would bet a significant sum of cash that the earlier poster hit the time table on the head - within 20 years, gay marriage will be no more controversial than interracial marriage because my generation just doesn't care. I think anyone who thinks they can convince younger voters to change their position is living in a fool's paradise.

That's why I've also said that the best way for conservatism to win is to focus on the advice of Benjamin Franklin - we must appeal to voter's interest rather than reason. We must show them that conservatism means more money in their paycheck and less government in their lives. We must convince them that conservatism means the freedom to chose their own path without interference from a nanny state. The demographic trends show that on this issue, like racism in the United States, every day that goes by the demographics shift beneath our party, just like sands in an hourglass. Time is not on the side of those who believe in one man one woman marriage as many of us Christians do. To fail to recognize that reality is to fail to rationally and objectively look at the facts.

29 posted on 11/01/2009 3:45:24 PM PST by WallStreetCapitalist
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To: WallStreetCapitalist
...you are not going to get me to tell someone that the government has the right to determine their private, consensual, relationship.

Evolution is only possible with HETEROSEXUAL relationships. This is a scientific fact...


As a Christian,...

BULLSHIITE!


I have my own beliefs on the matter because I believe the Bible is my authority. That's a matter for my family and church.

Religious faggotry is an insular self-referential cult.


To fail to recognize that reality is to fail to rationally and objectively look at the facts.

REALITY is axiomatic... If you have to tell a grown man babies will not emerge from his rectum, he is mentally ill.

30 posted on 11/01/2009 3:55:51 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: WallStreetCapitalist

You of course then, would have no problem with polygamous and polyamourous marriages? In other words, the word marriage will be meaningless.


31 posted on 11/01/2009 3:59:13 PM PST by MSF BU (++)
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To: WallStreetCapitalist

Oh. Not another RINO and his demographics speech. We are conservatives because we believe there is such thing a right and wrong. We believe in what is right. This situation has never been about control of private consensual relationships. No one is invading anyone’s bedroom. The gays are bringing their bedroom antics out into the street, all over the airwaves, any place they can in order to desensitize people.

That children are easily duped and fall pray to these tactics does not surprise me. That adults fall for them causes me great dismay. That a person who calls himself a Christian has fallen under their spell causes me question that person’s judgement. If he has decided he can believe something that is against what the Bible itself says, I have to question how well the person has actually read the Bible. Jude 7 says plainly that God destroyed Sodom because they decided to go after strange flesh (sodomites).

Paul says that homosexuals have been given reprobate minds. Which means their minds don’t function properly. Because of that fact I have no reason to agree with anything they think up or imagine.

Your argument about older voters makes a very poor assumption that as one ages one’s beliefs remain stagnant. 1. You have absolutely no idea these children’s beliefs will remain the same. 2. The reason they have not changed is because so few conservatives understand well enough to explain to them why it is important that marriage be protected as it has always been defined.

This is for you dear child. It is not your fault you believe as you do. You are just a symptom. You’ve been brainwashed. Back in the 60s the communists said they would do it to you and they seem to have had some success with you. But marriage was not created by gays, govt., or the communists. It was instituted by God and adopted by society as the first unit to protect and defend society.

Marriage perpetuates society by instructing its newest members (children), how to relate to the society. Males learn how to be men and females learn how to be women. Both men and women learn how to relate to authority and how to live in society. Young men learn how to relate to young women and visa versa. Homosexuals as parents ruin that opportunity to learn.

Homosexual male parents are not mothers or fathers no matter what role they play. They can only pretend to be one or the other. Because a homosexual male who takes the man’s role does not behave the way a real man behaves and a homosexual male that takes the female’s role does not behave the way a real woman would behave. The same can be said for homosexual women as parents. There was no accident made when God kept two males or two female from being able to procreate. Sex role confusion, not knowing how to behave with the opposite sex, as well as their own sex is a problem for children who grow up in these confused homes.

Hopefully, when you and others like you are older with children and have a better understanding of the need for a stable society for your children to grow up in, you will change your minds and the communist brainwashing will be reversed.

Conservatives need to continue to support that which is right, whether everyone believes it or not. If you are a Bible believing Christian you should understand why that is the case. If you don’t understand, I suggest you start attending a Bible believing church and stay away from the ELCA.


55 posted on 11/02/2009 1:55:45 AM PST by Waryone (II Chronicles 7:14)
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