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How Goldman secretly bet on the U.S. housing crash
McClatchy Newspapers ^ | November 1, 2009 | Greg Gordon

Posted on 11/01/2009 1:55:03 PM PST by crosstimbers

WASHINGTON — In 2006 and 2007, Goldman Sachs Group peddled more than $40 billion in securities backed by at least 200,000 risky home mortgages, but never told the buyers it was secretly betting that a sharp drop in U.S. housing prices would send the value of those securities plummeting.

Goldman's sales and its clandestine wagers, completed at the brink of the housing market meltdown, enabled the nation's premier investment bank to pass most of its potential losses to others before a flood of mortgage defaults staggered the U.S. and global economies.

Only later did investors discover that what Goldman had promoted as triple-A rated investments were closer to junk.

Now, pension funds, insurance companies, labor unions and foreign financial institutions that bought those dicey mortgage securities are facing large losses, and a five-month McClatchy investigation has found that Goldman's failure to disclose that it made secret, exotic bets on an imminent housing crash may have violated securities laws.

(Excerpt) Read more at mcclatchydc.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: corruption; goldman; goldmansachs; greedybastards; housingcrisis; paulson; wallstreet
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1 posted on 11/01/2009 1:55:03 PM PST by crosstimbers
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To: crosstimbers

I think a lot of folks new the housing market was not sustainable at the rate it was going. Here in California at the height of the houseing market I could not afford to by my own house.


2 posted on 11/01/2009 1:59:19 PM PST by Parley Baer
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To: crosstimbers
Earlier.
3 posted on 11/01/2009 2:00:01 PM PST by Steely Tom (Without the second, the rest are just politicians' BS.)
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To: crosstimbers

There’s a special place in hell reserved for these greedy bastards.


4 posted on 11/01/2009 2:06:46 PM PST by Rockitz (This isn't rocket science- follow the money and you'll find truth.)
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To: crosstimbers

With the friends of Obama its like having tomorrow’s newspaper yesterday.


5 posted on 11/01/2009 2:06:49 PM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannolis. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: crosstimbers

This is a fine line. Suppose you were the treasurer of a pension fund, and you called GS and said you wanted to buy some bonds rated AAA by Moody’s and S&P. They would say yes, they have some in stock, here’s the price.

The question that should have been asked was this: “Do you, Goldman Sachs, actually think these bonds are truly worthy of an AAA designation? What is your opinion and analysis of these securities?”

I would imagine most of the customers didn’t ask that.


6 posted on 11/01/2009 2:08:48 PM PST by proxy_user
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To: crosstimbers

It’s positively Randian. Give em what they want, and let them choke to death on their own puke.


7 posted on 11/01/2009 2:11:19 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: proxy_user

GS would have just said that Moody’s assigned a AAA rating and that GS isn’t in the ratings business.


8 posted on 11/01/2009 2:14:02 PM PST by Neidermeyer
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To: Parley Baer

http://www.collinsreport.net/2009/07/10/%e2%80%9c-a-danger-somebody-who-knew-how-to-use-this-program-could-manipulatestock-markets%e2%80%9d-wall-street-greed/


9 posted on 11/01/2009 2:16:13 PM PST by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: crosstimbers

“...before a flood of mortgage defaults staggered the U.S. and global economies.”

Wait until the commercial defaults start rolling through...the Fannie and Freddie debacle has killed us...we just haven’t fallen yet...Thanks, Barney...


10 posted on 11/01/2009 2:16:24 PM PST by jessduntno ("Faux News" to "Foe News"..."they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.")
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To: crosstimbers

Goldman has been called A blood sucking squid stuck on to the face of humanity since 1920 ...........

and I agree.

Google Goldman Sachs Matt Tobias


11 posted on 11/01/2009 2:18:41 PM PST by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: Willie Green

Jon Corzine was from Goldman Sachs. So was Lawrence Summers.


12 posted on 11/01/2009 2:20:02 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (Liberal sacred cows make great hamburger)
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To: proxy_user

“Do you, Goldman Sachs, actually think these bonds are truly worthy of an AAA designation?

And Goldman Sachs would have just replied, “Shhhh,,,don’t tell *anyone else*,, but theres no way these deserve a AAA rating”? The bottom line is that they sold a AAA product which they new was garbage. Then they insulated theirself from the crash by instituting bankruptcy reform, and installing their tool,,,Obama. And he has done exactly what they want.
Our fully embracing and loving capitalism is the cloak these criminals hide behind. They pretend to be capitalists when it suits them, but they thrive by special relationships with the government.

Don’t call it bonds,,say it’s beef. A slaughterhouse labeling tainted “choice” as fresh “prime” would be prosecuted instantly. These arent capitalists,, they are criminals.


13 posted on 11/01/2009 2:20:33 PM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs earn thi title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: crosstimbers

Here’s a great read from last year. It’s long but it’s a great report on the insiders view of the bankers.

http://www.portfolio.com/news-markets/national-news/portfolio/2008/11/11/The-End-of-Wall-Streets-Boom/#page1


14 posted on 11/01/2009 2:29:28 PM PST by Indy Pendance (Live Free Or Die)
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To: crosstimbers
"The Securities and Exchange Commission should be very interested in any financial company that secretly decides a financial product is a loser and then goes out and actively markets that product or very similar products to unsuspecting customers without disclosing its true opinion," said Laurence Kotlikoff, a Boston University economics professor who's proposed a massive overhaul of the nation's banks. "This is fraud and should be prosecuted."

Does this mean it's unethical to sell a stock if you think the company's no good?

Of course, if GS was being paid to give investment advice to the parties to whom it sold the junk, that would be wrong. But it seems that was not the case here. GS was simply the lesser fool selling to the greater fools. Nothing wrong with that.

McClatchey is just jealous.


15 posted on 11/01/2009 2:30:19 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: Liz; stephenjohnbanker

FYI


16 posted on 11/01/2009 2:36:19 PM PST by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: Rockitz
"There’s a special place in hell reserved for these greedy bastards."

They are no more greedy than you are, or those nurses that quit good-paying jobs to flip condos in Florida.

17 posted on 11/01/2009 2:42:15 PM PST by TopQuark
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To: proxy_user
You are exactly right. The media portray GS as praying on innocent little folk, whereas all such securities are purchased by professional buyers. The seller has no duty to educate those buyers.

Moreover, GS is not a single monolith; it consists of largely independent divisions. Those at GS that were structuring and selling securities have no contact with those that were trading on the company account.

But facts don't matter to the anti-capitalist crowd. Envy of the "rich" is rampant, even here on FR.

18 posted on 11/01/2009 2:46:22 PM PST by TopQuark
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009
"Goldman has been called A blood sucking squid stuck on to the face of humanity since 1920"

Yep, they always envy the best.

19 posted on 11/01/2009 2:49:19 PM PST by TopQuark
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To: TopQuark

I’ve never gotten on the horn and threatened the melt-down of financial markets unless I got favors from the Fed or Treasury.

So yes, they are more greedy than I am.


20 posted on 11/01/2009 2:51:22 PM PST by NVDave
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