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To: MountainWoman; detective; goodnesswins

I strongly disagree with anyone and everyone who has a blanket criticism of Mr.Newt. ... those who call him “RINO” or “Dem” or anything other than conservative.

Mr.Newt has been more of an asset to the Conservative movement than almost anyone else in the country now alive. In this case, I completely disagree with his support of the old power structure, as I have on one or two other issues.

Those of you who have only been peripherally involved in political battles, instead of having been immersed in them as he has been, have not seen as many disappointments as he has and NOT ONE of you engineered the conservative takeover of the House in 1994 as he did. He sees with some justification that in 1993 moderate GOPers won and started the snowball moving for that takeover. It is my belief that he was lied to about the way NY-23 candidate was chosen, and that he doesn’t understand the demographics and dynamics of NY-23. This clearly was NOT a “local choice” as he has repeatedly stated, and he seems to believe. I hope he goes to www.tcotreport.com and educates himself today about this situation. And by the way, I do NOT believe that “oh- she supports abortion- I withdraw my endorsement” is a valid response.

I honor his service, his opinion, and the important insight and actions he has brought to Conservatism and continues.

You who do not are more destructive to Conservatism than Mr.Newt will ever be.


31 posted on 10/30/2009 8:36:11 AM PDT by AFPhys ((Praying for our troops, our citizens, that the Bible and Freedom become basis of the US law again))
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To: AFPhys

Newt is the guy who did commercials about global warming WITH a democrat. He got thrown out of his office when he cheated on his wife. He supports a pro abortion candidate when he claims to be a catholic. Now those are some serious contridictions. Ya, he is bright and writes good books but he is a RINO.


37 posted on 10/30/2009 8:52:38 AM PDT by 70th Division (I love my country but fear my government!)
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To: AFPhys
I don't think Newt was the only person responsible for the House and Senate landslides in the 1994 election, though he probably does. Clinton was elected with 42% of the vote in 1992, the same percentage Dukakas had gotten 4 years earlier. The Clintons and the Democrats broke so many promises in 1993 and 1994 and were so arrogant and incompetent that the country rejected them. Gingrich was involved in this and to the extent he contributed I give him credit.

However, since then Gingrich has tried to be the center of attention and make everything about him. He self destructed as Speaker and had to resign. He let his ego get in the way and was consistently outmaneuvered by Clinton, the Democrats and the MSM.

Lately, however, he has been particularly dishonorable and self promoting. His appearances with Pelosi in support of cap and trade were unprincipled and contemptible. His recent appearances with Sharpton, a dishonest race hustler and advocate of racial violence have been despicable. His recent support of Scozzafava and attacks on Hoffman are yet more examples of this.

Gingrich is not a principled conservative any more than he is sincere in his new Catholic faith when he promotes someone who works to increase the killing of innocent unborn children and push a pro homosexual agenda.

45 posted on 10/30/2009 9:07:17 AM PDT by detective
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To: AFPhys; detective; goodnesswins

you are more than welcome to disagree, FRiend, as we are still in America where you have that right.

however, it seems like you people who like newt assume that we who do not only have ONE reason not to...maybe if you were to ask us questions about WHY we don’t, you might find out where we stand... instead you accuse us of being “destructive” to the conservative movement...once again, before you insult us, try and find out the facts...thanks.


46 posted on 10/30/2009 9:07:21 AM PDT by MountainWoman
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To: AFPhys

Newt was very instrumental in the Republican takeover of Congress in 1994. He had had a lifetime to study the majority democrat congress way of doing business.

His first serious mistake came in early 1995, when he thought the rules of the House-media-country would stay the same, with the only difference being Republicans in majority positions.

How blind he was! He never adjusted to the new playing field. Not understanding the Rules is no excuse, and it is a certain defeat.

He kept living in the past, and thought he would get the treatment that 40 years of Democrat Speakers had gotten.

He has academic brilliance, but as a Leader he was not very good at all! Compound that with cheating on his high profile wife while the House was running Impeachment Hearings on a sitting president who was an adulterer, and you have an example of personal interest way superceding leadership essentials.

I have NO respect for him.


51 posted on 10/30/2009 9:12:00 AM PDT by maica (Freedom consists not in doing what we like,but in having the right to do what we ought. John Paul II)
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To: AFPhys

Newt has been wooing liberals, and consorting with the enemy. I usually agree with you, but he changed over the years. Sometimes people do that.


111 posted on 10/30/2009 4:19:53 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: AFPhys
...he....engineered the conservative takeover of the House in 1994...

...he doesn’t understand the demographics and dynamics of NY-23.

You're talking out of both sides of your mouth. He's either the brilliant tactician, or he's a dope. Which is it?

You can't have it both ways.

114 posted on 10/30/2009 4:57:11 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: AFPhys
You know, I used to support Newt myself.

I should have known better, because he used to be my representative in the GA 6th, back before he got famous.

He was not a very good representative, not responsive to his constituents. And he was egotistical and opportunistic even back then, changing positions pretty readily when it seemed to his advantage.

He did good work on the Contract with America, but that was atypical rather than typical. He quickly fell back into more characteristic behavior with Clinton ... and since.

We can be grateful to him for the good work that he DID do, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't criticize him when he messes up. And his recent positions have been mostly mess.

120 posted on 10/31/2009 5:38:30 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary - (recess appointment))
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