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N.Y. GOP rift spreads to races in other states (GOP Establishment vs Tea Party)
Washington Times ^ | 10/29/2009 | Kara Rowland

Posted on 10/29/2009 3:25:47 AM PDT by markomalley

Doug Hoffman's insurgent campaign in New York's special House race, which had already split national Republican leaders, is now turning into a litmus test for other Republican congressional candidates running in 2010 to prove their conservative credentials.

Liz Lauber, running in the Republican primary for a House seat in Missouri, this week made support for Mr. Hoffman a campaign issue, calling on five-term Republican incumbent Rep. Todd Akin to endorse and donate money to the Conservative Party nominee who is running in a special election Nov. 3.

Mr. Akin did endorse Mr. Hoffman, though his office said it was not a response to Mrs. Lauber's challenge but rather to calls received from constituents asking where the congressman stood on the race.

"The New York special election is becoming a referendum for the heart and soul of the Republican Party across the country," said Mrs. Lauber, a former congressional staffer. "I stepped up to the plate and threw my support [behind Mr. Hoffman] because I'm listening here to what people are saying at home."

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In a sign of Mr. Hoffman's growing support, Democrats appear to feel more threatened by him than Mrs. Scozzafava.

In a new TV ad, a group called Accountable America attempts to link Mr. Hoffman to the Wall Street financial crisis. The liberal group MoveOn.org e-mailed its supporters Wednesday asking for money to defeat Mr. Hoffman, who it said represents "tea-baggers and hate groups."

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


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To: deaconjim

“I’m wondering if we wouldn’t be better off in the Conservative Party to once and for all dump the “Republican” name and the baggage that comes with it.”

Don’t think so. Reagan built the conservative party, parked it in the GOP and we slept while the Rockefeller socialists moved in and took it. By taking back the GOP we’d be recovering stolen property. It’s a noble effort and all schemes, plots and tricks should be used to take it back. If the fascists and communists can take over the rat party, conservatives can do the same in the GOP. We’re moving on various fronts and have the b*stards surrounded.

Seeing as how you’re a deacon and are more familiar with the Almighty’s ways than me, I’d request that you send up a few prayers and ask for heavenly guidance.


41 posted on 10/29/2009 5:27:36 AM PDT by sergeantdave (obuma is the anti-Lincoln, trying to re-establish slavery)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

A couple of things.

The American Conservative Union, founded and run by David Keene. It’s bunk. Junk. Fraud. The guy is a hack and runs a scam like those Preachers that get caught with a drunk boy.

Now about ‘Conservative Ratings’ or ACU ratings. It’s a game. They, fake conservatives/RINOs game it to get high ratings.

Here is how it works. You get points for voting conservative. So, you and your fake conservative friends gin up conservative bills that won’t pass. You all vote, the bill gets shot down( heck it never left the ground ) and you all gin up conservative brownie points.

Here is the other ‘conservative tactic’ You vote against a lefty bill, that is going to pass anyways. The liberals don’t mind at all. They understand you are just massaging the process to get your ‘conservative’ numbers up. You go out with them for drinks later and laugh at at your hick, hayseed, gullible conservative voters.

Here is the third method of suckering in non hip to Washington ways conservative voters. You pass conservative bills, on no real importance. Whoopie!

You got to watch out. There have been generations of so called conservatives that haven’t accomplished squat in decades. And yet have great conservative ‘records’.

No thanks. I don’t want to hear about ‘controlling spending’ or little, mouse nibble tax cuts.

As soon as the lefties and liberals in the GOP get worked over, next is the fake, do nothing conservatives. I don’t care even if they are true conservatives. They like all the rest of us in our lives....got to produce.

And frankly, they couldn’t take on Public Radio.
So far, have you seen any conservative bills of real importance passed?


42 posted on 10/29/2009 5:28:20 AM PDT by Leisler (It's going to be a hard, long winter)
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To: All; Conservativegreatgrandma; markomalley; Huck; paulycy; Landru; Virginia Ridgerunner; Leisler; ..
This is a FReply all, not a ping list.

I am glad to see that support for Hoffman, or support for Scozzafava will become an issue.I have said many times before, there are at least 17 unprincipled Scozzafava enablers in the House who have donated funds or otherwise supported to this LibeRal democRat's DIABLO’s campaign. They include Boehner, Cantor, Pete Sessions, Hensarling, Brown-Waite and McCotter. I don’t have a full list, but I will be looking for it. These unprincipled enablers should be targeted for elimination in the primaries next year.

But also, some of Hoffman’s supporters, and especially the TEA Party movement and the 9-12ers should be looking at the other Congressional special election being held November 3rd.

The way the RNC and NRCC have handled that race says even more about the problems in the party leadership. So far, the party has done nothing to support their own candidate in that race. Not only is the NRCC pouring everything they have into supporting a radical leftist in upstate New York, they are ignoring an opportunity to flip a seat from a Democrat to a conservative Republican in California’s 10th District. They have given almost no support to the Republican candidate in that race.

The candidate is David Harmer for California’s 10th Congressional District. He is a conservative candidate who has been a fellow at the Heritage Foundation and the Cato institute. He is committed to controlling spending, promoting economic growth, and free market solutions to todays problems.

I am also contacting the NRCC to ask why they are supporting Scozzafava in the race in upstate New York, and why they are ignoring David Harmer in this close race in California’s 10th district. Here are the numbers if anyone else wants to call:

Info from the NRCC "contact us" web page:
Contact the NRCC

Address:

320 First Street, SE
Washington, DC 20003

General Email:
website@nrcc.org

Phone:
Phone: 202-479-7000

Also, perhaps those of us who donated to the RNC or RCCC should ask for our money back so we can support the conservative candidates of our choice.

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From the desk of
cc2k:
Candidates I support: Doug Hoffman for Congress, NY 23rd (PayPal), David Harmer for Congress, CA 10th (website for info).

Please, spread the word about these important special elections on November 3, 209: New York’s 23rd congressional district and California’s 10th congressional district.

43 posted on 10/29/2009 5:30:16 AM PDT by cc2k (I have donated to David Harmer, have you? [check my recent reply posts])
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To: markomalley
Third Parties always loose...we need to follow Hoffman’s lead and run Conservative candidates as Independents against RINO’s in the House and let the people decide.

Even if we loose the seat to a DEM we at least have a chance in the next election to force the GOP leadership to run a candidate who is Conservative.

44 posted on 10/29/2009 5:32:27 AM PDT by when the time is right
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To: Leisler

When are you going to announce your candidacy? We need you.


45 posted on 10/29/2009 5:33:12 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma (Al Franken--the face of the third-party voters)
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To: Liz
*** Stupid Repubs still don't get it----they held power for a generation b/c of conservatives. ***

Check out Newt's latest brain-fart of a statement:

"A Vote For Hoffman Is A Vote for Pelosi."
It's on Drudge, prolly a thread by now too.

And doesn't that statement sound familiar.
Like the: 'A vote for anyone but Rooty is a vote for Hillary', junk that used to be posted)

46 posted on 10/29/2009 5:33:23 AM PDT by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits)
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To: sergeantdave

You don’t know your Republican Party history. It has always, always been a big finance, big government, big tax and debt party. Always. At it’s founding even. It took over/killed off the Whigs, who were more conservative. At the time the GOP believed in the transformative power of government action lead by elite progressives. ( Sound familiar? ) That was the reason Teddy ‘Square Deal’ like his cousin’s ‘Fair Deal’, left the Republican party because the Whig( ish )/conservative had reclaimed, a bit, the party.

Out side of Reagan, who said he knew he could only pass a few things IN HIS OWN PARTY, and Coolidge, the rest were all big government, big tax, regulation lefty liberal Republicans. All of them. Right back to Lincoln.


47 posted on 10/29/2009 5:34:38 AM PDT by Leisler (It's going to be a hard, long winter)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

I have tax, drinking and breath problems.

(Hey, I’d probably fit right in! :)


48 posted on 10/29/2009 5:37:19 AM PDT by Leisler (It's going to be a hard, long winter)
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To: Leisler

Yes, you would—as a Democrat!!


49 posted on 10/29/2009 5:40:15 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma (Al Franken--the face of the third-party voters)
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To: lquist1

Start with your local and State GOP organizations. Go to the meetings and become active in the organizations. Ferret out the rinos and replace them with “right wing extremists”. Do not be deterred or intimidated in this effort to purge then radicalize the republican party. Recruit others to the cause and overwhelm the existing “leadership” of your local and state republican party. Start today! Do not procrastinate this...

Just because your in what you think to be a “conservative” state or district does not mean you can coast on the work of others. Its probably even more important that you make sure that the leadership of your local and state GOP is as “extreme right” as humanly possible. Do not compromise on this, do not leave “good enough” alone. The folks in the already strong “conservative” portions of the states are going to be leading the fight against the marxist fedgov, so you better make sure you have the right people with the balls to do the job.

Do this in every town, county and state and we WILL control the GOP entirely. More than that... We will control a few states, the perfect weapons against the marxist fedgov.


50 posted on 10/29/2009 5:43:28 AM PDT by myself6
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To: All

The Hoffman endorsement by Gov. Palin was her acknowledgment I hear and seen what the ‘Tea Party movement” is about and I concur with it philosophy. Lets remember while Governor Sarah meet with the Wasilla Tea Party Organizers before one of their events. I would think it was a feeling out process by Gov. Palin to see if she agree with what they were doing. Well we got her answer by the endorsement of Hoffman. There is one more part of this and that was the 9/12 March and why Sarah was not at it. Well Sarah did e-mail the Tea Party express and I am paraphrasing she had travel plans at the time but she reconfirmed her support to the Cause but kept that support private well the Hoffman endorsement was her first PUBLIC declaration of support and boy what a declaration it was.


51 posted on 10/29/2009 5:50:42 AM PDT by Clyde5445 (Gov. Sarah Palin: :"You have to sacrifice to win. That's my philosophy in 6 words.")
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To: paulycy; vanilla swirl
Screw the connotation.

I inherently agree. But there have been lots of symbols used for this movement that effectively communicate the message while not exposing it to mockery. For example:

Whichever...

52 posted on 10/29/2009 6:03:36 AM PDT by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: markomalley

I will give it some thought. :0)


53 posted on 10/29/2009 6:08:05 AM PDT by paulycy (Predatory Pricing = Public Option = Unethical Competition.)
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To: deaconjim

MN GOP tried dumping the Republican name in the 1970s; but somehow the Democrats wouldn’t let them drop the hated name.


54 posted on 10/29/2009 6:09:52 AM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: markomalley

Go “Tea Party”!


55 posted on 10/29/2009 6:10:26 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: jwparkerjr

Interesting observation, but the GOP is in the donations business. They do what brings in the money, as their consultants tell them.


56 posted on 10/29/2009 6:10:57 AM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: markomalley

Rush is right, third parties on a large scale are for losers. There will never be a time in my lifetime, or even my great-grandkids lifetime when a third party will ever be viable beyond perhaps a congressional district. Get over yourselves.

That being said, I do support Doug Hoffman because the GOP nominee is waaaay too liberal. What needs to happen for us is what the Dems did - conservatives need to reclaim the Republican party apparatus from the county precinct level all the way up to the RNC.

All these fools who say the “GOP is dead” are cynical, unhappy, depressed, angry old coots who love to bask in negativity and are by and large too lazy or too apathetic to put the work in to reclaim OUR Republican Party like we did during the Goldwater and Reagan days.

Ok - flame away.


57 posted on 10/29/2009 6:23:07 AM PDT by St. Louis Conservative
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To: Uncle Ike
At one point in time, the Whigs failed to a stand as a national party. That failure led to their fast overthrow and the founding of a new party.

It seems to me the Republican party is doomed to repeating their history. If we are able to throw off the yoke of the GOP, we just may have a chance to throw off the oppression being imposed on the free people of the United States.

58 posted on 10/29/2009 6:36:10 AM PDT by EBH (it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new Government)
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To: St. Louis Conservative
I am hardly an old coot! Resorting to name-calling is unbecoming of your claimed loyalties.

As for me, I see the party as corrupt and fundamentally corrupted like a bad computer chip that crashes your computer.

59 posted on 10/29/2009 6:42:18 AM PDT by EBH (it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new Government)
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To: SF_Redux

I doubt you saw the video of Congressman King taking on the football commissioner but here’s another thing he’s done in the last couple of days. These are only for starters: http://www.radioiowa.com/2009/10/27/king-latham-criticize-democrat-health-care-reform-plan/


60 posted on 10/29/2009 6:43:59 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma (Al Franken--the face of the third-party voters)
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