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'Proof' humans cause global warming
Courier Mail ^ | 10/20/09 | From correspondents in Washington

Posted on 10/26/2009 1:08:59 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

SEDIMENT cores from a small Arctic lake in Canada stretching back 200,000 years show unprecedented gains in global warming since 1950, indicating human activity is the likely cause.

"The past few decades have been unique in the past 200,000 years in terms of the changes we see in the biology and chemistry recorded in the cores,'' University of Colorado glaciologist Yarrow Axford said.

"We see clear evidence for warming in one of the most remote places on Earth at a time when the Arctic should be cooling because of natural processes."

Mr Axford is the chief author of the study published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

For thousands of years, environmental changes in a remote lake on Canada's Baffin Island closely matched natural, cyclical climate changes such as those caused by the Earth's periodic wobble as it swings around the sun, the researchers said.

However, lake sediment cores dating from 1950 show that expected climate cooling was overridden by human activity like greenhouse gas emissions.

Researchers were able to reconstruct the local climate over the past 200,000 years by analysing algae, insect fossils and geochemical traces in sediment cores extracted from the 40ha lake.

The cores stretch back 80,000 years further than existing Greenland ice cores, revealing environmental conditions prevalent during two earlier Ice Ages and three interglacial periods.

Researchers found that several types of mosquito-like midges that for many thousands of years thrived in cold climate surrounding the lake suddenly began declining at around 1950; two midge species adapted to the coldest weather disappeared altogether.

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To: NormsRevenge
LOL!

Be sure to ignore all the contradicting evidence. Look ONLY at our new cores, because only THEY are right!

LOLOLOL!

It all depends on what the definition of "global" is. :-)

41 posted on 10/26/2009 2:09:14 PM PDT by TChris (There is no freedom without the possibility of failure.)
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To: NormsRevenge

If Global warming is a done deal, the Debate is Over.....Why does the GW crowd keep changing the subject from the OLD ARGUMENTS and bring up NEW ARGUMENTS ?

With missing sunspots for the last year or so, this Winter is going to be a hard sell.....Ice on the ground trumps Sediment in the lake.


42 posted on 10/26/2009 2:11:53 PM PDT by 4Speed
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To: voveo

How dare you imply that there could be such a thing as a global warming!? The peanut gallery insists that global warming is false!


43 posted on 10/26/2009 2:12:21 PM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: 4Speed

I hope the snow is 2 feet deep and falling fast when al gore and obama and schwarzenegger fly to Copenhagen for Hopenhagen.


44 posted on 10/26/2009 2:15:12 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard)
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To: NormsRevenge
"The past few decades have been unique in the past 200,000 years in terms of the changes we see in the biology and chemistry recorded in the cores,'' University of Colorado glaciologist Yarrow Axford said.

Alternative explanation: Someone was growing pot around the lake.

45 posted on 10/26/2009 2:20:21 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: NormsRevenge

200,000 yrs is a blip on the geological scale. Bet they don’t want to go back further.


46 posted on 10/26/2009 2:26:07 PM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (To the left the truth looks Right-Wing.)
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To: NormsRevenge
From now until the Copenhagen conference is over, we can expect these "scheduled" stories to come out one at a time and all of which have already been discredited.

They have had this stuff a planned out for quite a while now.

They should have planned the meeting for summer months because we are due for some cold weather that will fly in the face of their theories.

47 posted on 10/26/2009 2:36:10 PM PDT by capt. norm (Never underestimate the power of very stupid people in large groups.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Did anyone else note the glaring peculiarity of this information?

That is, the headline is about *geology*, sediment samples, and suddenly there is a segue right into *biology*, about midges.

This sounds suspiciously like looking for data to support the conclusions they have already reached. So let’s look further.

They say that they have data in the sediment going back 200,000 years, and yet the last 60 years have been markedly different. Since they did this with a core sample, how much of that core sample is the last 60 years?

1/3,333th and a third of however large that core sample. 200,000 divided by 60. So how big is that core sample?

For the sake of argument, let’s assume it is a really big one, 10 meters in length. That’s about 32.8 feet. About 1/3rd the length of a football field. Even at that scale, the last 60 years is about 3 millimeters in thickness.

And that 3 millimeters, of an improbably long core sample, is the *last* 3 millimeters, far less affected by compression than a sample, say, 7 meters down.

But how about them midges, huh?


48 posted on 10/26/2009 2:46:19 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: NormsRevenge

"We see clear evidence for warming in one of the most remote places on Earth at a time when the Arctic should be cooling because of natural processes."

Mr Axford is the chief author of the study published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

For thousands of years, environmental changes in a remote lake on Canada's Baffin Island closely matched natural, cyclical climate changes such as those caused by the Earth's periodic wobble as it swings around the sun, the researchers said.

However, lake sediment cores dating from 1950 show that expected climate cooling was overridden by human activity like greenhouse gas emissions.

Researchers were able to reconstruct the local climate over the past 200,000 years by analysing algae, insect fossils and geochemical traces in sediment cores extracted from the 40ha lake.

Interesting.

At the Institute we have been vocal about putting any faith in the Global Climate Models for many reasons - all modeling assumes one knows all the angles and all the pathways; and that is total hubris, especially as far as Earth's climatic variation. In the philosophical sense modelling is hardly science at all, but to a degree humanistic fantasy, like movies or Christmas train gardens.

In this report however if it is legitimate, and one can't dismiss PNAS, there is evidence something is recently environmentally out of whack with Earth's precessional (wobble) period. If one looks at 200,000 years of reliable periodic association then sees something incongruent, then there is apparently something unique happening.

But this statement:

However, lake sediment cores dating from 1950 show that expected climate cooling was overridden by human activity like greenhouse gas emissions.

is really ignorant and quite annoying; hopefully it wasn't the scientists who made it. It exposes the bigotry associated with the whole anthropogenic claim. There is little reason whatsoever to associate the incongruent happening to anthropogenic causes when such dramatic variations have occurred during other era's when SUV's did not exist - if of course such incongruent happenings did indeed occur when SUV's did not exist.

Which means to make any argument at all for "human activity like greenhouse gas emissions," a greater geological perspective is needed to rule out non-anthropogenic causes. That is to say no one is denying global warming occurs or that it has occurred during humanity's industrialization; but to say that industrialization is the cause of global warming is bogus until proven; and given that CO2 has been significantly higher in the geological past with its subsequent reduction and while life on Earth prospered, there is no reason to react unscientifically (as so many politicians routinely do).

Johnny Suntrade

49 posted on 10/26/2009 2:48:41 PM PDT by jnsun
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To: NormsRevenge
unprecedented gains in global warming since 1950, indicating human activity is the likely cause.

Where is the PROOF?.....

.....Correlation is NOT CAUSATION.

The title is misleading and/or dishonest.

50 posted on 10/26/2009 2:54:24 PM PDT by SteamShovel (When hope trumps reality, there is no hope at all.)
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To: SteamShovel

I would have thought the early days of industrial revolution times would have popped up way before 1950 under their surmise.

but what do I know? I’m not paid via grants to deliver said product or info on que.


51 posted on 10/26/2009 2:56:09 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard)
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To: NormsRevenge

Correlation is not causation...except when global warming is involved.


52 posted on 10/26/2009 3:08:54 PM PDT by denydenydeny ("I'm sure this goes against everything you've been taught, but right and wrong do exist"-Dr House)
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To: NormsRevenge
Early man probably relied a lot more heavily on his sense of smell than we need to today. (At this point, my kids would ask: Just how bad does a sabertooth tiger smell, Daddy?)

It would make sense to "clear out the dust" to improve one's sense of smell.

53 posted on 10/26/2009 3:21:36 PM PDT by Bob
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To: maryz

Rewatch Glengarry Glen Cross for parallel behavior among high-pressure salesmen and desperation.


54 posted on 10/26/2009 3:28:13 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, then writes again.)
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To: keithtoo

Eliminating that was a critical mission of the original and all subsequent examples of the “Hockey Stick.”


55 posted on 10/26/2009 3:32:47 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, then writes again.)
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To: jnsun
What they didn't tell you:

That area got it's first important military outposts in the 1940’s due to World War Two. Subsequently, several military bases were extended due to the Cold War. DDT was prominently introduced to those bases to cut down on the summer swarm of mosquitoes.

DDT, introduced in the late 40's and early 50's killed the midges.

Other scientists are finding traces of DDT in the various nearby glaciers from the same time period!

56 posted on 10/26/2009 4:01:23 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: NormsRevenge

After careful research, I discovered a correlation between the release of the film “Nanook of the North,” the moon landing and the mysterious appearance of midges on Bikini Beach. How much money can I get and when can I go?


57 posted on 10/26/2009 4:25:15 PM PDT by sergeantdave (obuma is the anti-Lincoln, trying to re-establish slavery)
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To: NormsRevenge
The first two paraagraphs in the above article are incoherent. Not that I'm surprised...

Are we discussing the last 200,000 years or since 1950?

Once they make up their minds, we can go from there.

My first response would be "total BS!"

Many of us have seen the swings in temperature for the last 400,000 years and they are way too numerous to argue with, both for low and high temperature periods.

By the way, geniuses, who elected you as the final arbiters of the constant ideal temperature God intended?

58 posted on 10/26/2009 5:44:59 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Â…he's not America, he's an employee who hasn't risen to minimal expectations.)
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To: keithtoo
Hah! What about the middle ages warming period that lasted from the 1100’s thru the 1500’s?

As soon as I find it, I will post the email that a famous researcher got from a well-known activist requesting support for "eliminating the medieval warm period."
Astonishingly, he wrote that in an email over his actual name.

59 posted on 10/26/2009 5:57:50 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Â…he's not America, he's an employee who hasn't risen to minimal expectations.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Mr. Axford, learn some science and get a grip on reality. The IPCC's climate forecasting model is riddled with errors.
60 posted on 10/26/2009 7:49:17 PM PDT by your local physicist (Gridlock is good...in Washington.)
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