Posted on 10/26/2009 7:51:02 AM PDT by Scythian
I'm a huge Beck fan, in fact I'm listening right now here
http://www.ksfa860.com/common/gap_streamer.php
but something really confuses me. It takes the ability to use real critical thinking to know what Beck (and most of us know about the state of the country and where we are heading). That is, we have the ability to discover the truth no matter how much the media or conventional wisdom try to hide it. Yet on Mormonism, Beck is cleary wrong. Any Christian knows that the book or momonism is severely flawed and that Joseph Smith was no prophet. How can Beck cut through all the chaff of what is going on in our world and come to the truth and yet believe the writings of Joseph Smith? It doesn't make sense? I'm not saying he's up to something secret, not by any means, it's just that he's so right about so many things and completely wrong on the most important thing. Now, he just said on the air that he believes Jesus is the Savior of the world and that he is Mormon.
I also think that because he is Mormon he is not attacked near as much if he was a Evangelical Bible only believer. Anyway, am I nutz or does Beck being a Mormon seem bizarre?
Who cares what his religious beliefs are, he’s not pushing them on me. Besides, you should be focusing on more important and relevant aspects of his life, like which direction he has his toilet paper unroll from.
“That is subjective and really, none of our business.
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Really? What people think is none of your business when someone has a business telling us what they think? Because it is a subject of beliefs, i.e. religion, we are supposed to turn a blind eye? Don’t think so, sweetheart; we have the right and DUTY to consider all we know and not cherry pick what we like and don’t like.
Did you even think about what you said or did you just post something based on an emotional knee-jerk reaction to someone saying something derogatory about Mormons?
How could AC “Ace” Christensen, or for that mater men like David Salisbury Franks or Admiral Hyman Rickover have been a Patriots? Or how could all those boys buried in graves marked with a Star of David at the Normandy American Cemetery and Memorial or even at Arlington and dozen of other like places have been such Patriots and yet believe in what they believe? How many deist, observors of various Native American religions, agnostics or even atheist lay in a Patriot’s Grave? To me I care not what a man’s personal believes are, if he is willing to fight for another man’s freedom as much as for his own that is all I need to know and I will always call such a man my brother!
I know people who were good, covenant abiding Mormons who studied and prayed their way out of the Mormonism myth. I wish Beck would too. I wonder if he knows the force he would have if he were in relationship to Christ alone and if he could leave behind his worship of himself and his actions.
Yes...the apostle Paul did say "we see through a glass darkly" -- meaning all of us have our blinders on re: many things. But that doesn't mean life is a total crap shoot of 100% relativistic thinking. And Jefferson, who literally cut up his Bible to remove miracles, etc. from it, turns the Jesus comment on it re "ye shall know them by their fruit" on its head by then making some "me and God" accountability reference. Frankly, we are not only accountable to God, but to others.
Hence, Jesus said, "YE shall judge them by their fruit."
The individual Mormans I have known have been some of the strongest patriots and lovers of America — the IDEA — I have ever met.
They were involved with Taft Entertainment which years ago produced a great little movie called “Harry’s War.” Starring Edward Herman and the late Geraldine Page, it tore the Internal Revenue Service a new one. And that was back when going after the IRS took some guts.
Of course I thought about it. This bunch in the current thread is worse than the MSM. I’m not Mormon, genius. I’m a conservative, evangelical, not mainstream “religion”...not Baptist, thank God. ;)
My “knee jerk reaction” is to the Government/Media propaganda machine that goes after a person’s Christian-based religion because it makes a good weapon. Not a blind eye, but religion WAS a right granted in the Constitution.
Somehow I doubt God was talking about O’Reilly. =)
Hmmmm...essentially, like gods.
Not so much, actually.
Unless you've spotted a verse that says we will also be able to literally create from nothing, then we won't be gods. We will be more human than we are now and as human as God originally created Adam and Eve. That's the Christian theology on the point.
Now, from the point of view of the text usually cited here, what we will be will be sufficiently improved that to us as unimproved, we may as well BE gods, but that's only a relative observation, not an objective truth. See the difference?
I take it you would rather he go back to his pre-Mormon days?
Why aren’t you a bigot?
You know, its funny. Mormons are our allies in the cultural and political wars 98% of the time. Our evangelical and catholic brothers aren’t even that reliably consistent on political issues.
What I think is that we are going to be seeing a lot of stuff like this, where supposed conservatives sharpen their knives for Beck precisely because he’s effective. Rather than try and refute what he says (no one is right 100% of the time, so a serious discussion of anyone’s views, even mine, should be able to find at least some flaws in facts or reasoning)... rather than refute what he says they’ll try to discredit him personally.
Thats what is happening here, I think.
Pretty much, except you neglect the role of the show's producers.
They direct the research staff.
Beck is just the mouthpiece.
The libs & MSM often paint Conservatives as a bunch of religious fanatics. This thread proves those claims wrong by in large. Unfortunately, there are a few here who are willing/ignorant accomplices towards that end however.
A shame really.
Such irony. Is this statement supposed to be a game-ending trump card? Does your "beware" comment apply to your own statement? Or does your statement alone reflect "a corner on the market of what is true...when it comes to faith and religion" whereas all the rest of those you're commenting upon is suspect.
That's what so funny. It's like saying, "I have an 11th commandment: Beware the absolutists."
And then somebody comes along and asks you, "is that absolutely true."
(And you say) "Of course, I said it."
(And they say) "Doesn't that place you in the absolutist camp?"
"Uh......"
There are far too many around here who are ready to place their judgment on others' faith.
More irony. Did you just generically judge whoever you were telling Tax Government to "beware" of?
No one on Earth has absolute knowledge of the "truth," they only have opinion informed by faith and belief in what they are told or have read in books in which they have faith.
No absolutes, except, of course, of your "Hall of Fame" absolute of "beware of all who claim to have a corner on the market of what is true and what is not true... especially when it comes to faith and religion." (So the only absolute is yours, eh, Sudetenland?)
Who knows, maybe the Mormons have it right and I don't. I don't believe that to be so, but until I have passed on to the great beyond, all I have is my beliefs and my faith...it is not for me to judge what others believe.
That's like conceding, "Hey, who knows, maybe the cows are sacred souls of ex-people, after all, and we should close down McDonalds." "Hey, who knows, maybe the tulip worshipers in my neighbor's back yard are right and I don't."
(Doncha just love religious conviction!!!)
Hey. I love my mom.
FMCDH(BITS)
Someone else's religion.
Didn't take much of that for me. Of course a larger power gave me a brain to think with and a good grasp on logic. My silent wishes and yes, they might be called prayers, helped me see clearly and understand the fakery of the charlatan.
Did you get your deer, dear?
Almost every single religion looks strange and cultish when viewed from the outside
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Well said. The unknowing might look at, say, Catholic Communion, whereby through the power of transubstantiation, the bread and wine are transformed into the actual blood and body of Christ, and conclude that Christians are cannibals.
Hear here!
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