Posted on 10/26/2009 12:57:04 AM PDT by neverdem
Unbelievable.
Rick Perry for Gov.—— NOT!
THREAD BUMP!
Addendum:
ACIP Recommends Against Routine Use of HPV Vax in Boys
http://www.medpagetoday.com/PrimaryCare/Vaccines/16571#ayk
There’s also an article in this month’s The Atlantic about whether or not flu shots are really effective.
Not unbelievable considering the amount of money to be made. These soulless folks are willing to sacrifice our kids and even make it a requirement. Bump & Share with every teen leader I know. This is what happens with morality is no longer inherent.
Sometimes when I am not too informed on any item up for a vote, I look to see who is supporting it...Thats how I handled school elections when my kids were in school...I now use it on votes to change taxes, extend taxes that are up for renewal, school millage etc...If you are not informed, those for or against can help you make a decision...
Anytime something comes up and is supported by teachers union, etc. I am voted against it....
I have been paying school taxes for 51 years, thats enough.
Current lifetime risk of dying from cervical cancer appears to be roughly about 3 out of 100,000, or one out of 35,000.
With 26 million young women vaccinated with Gardasil, the death rate so far seems to be at least 1 out of 590,000.
Reported adverse effects rate: 1 out of 1,700. This may include non-serious adverse effects, I’m not sure. But as noted, serious side effects was reportedly more prevalent than the incidence rate of cervical cancer - (NOT of cervical cancer deaths!)
And one of the first things to note is that the lifetime risk of dying from cervical cancer is pretty low: around 1 out of 35,000. And this risk is going to continue to decrease, with improved cervical cancer detection and treatment.
Note also that these are the odds for the population as a WHOLE.
Girls and young women whose behavior and lifestyle put them at a lesser risk for contracting HPV than the “average” young woman would receive even LESS potential benefit from this vaccine.
Now all they gotta do is link swine flu to it and it a perfect conspiracy !
Thanks for the link.
I think more when it is a case of Doctors (Researchers), their backers and the government getting together and deciding there is some political benefit to be had given this ‘new’ treatment or not. It’s really just a case of the government/establishment thinking they have the all-powerful benefit of persuasion coupled with a use of government force. For the numbers of lives this drug might save, there sure is an awful lot of cajoling and persuasion going on. Makes you go hmmmmmmmm.
If we get ANY kind of Government-run health care most research will stop and improvements in detection and treatments will stop too.
We don't even know if they would then spend money on the vaccine as any Government program is about money and even new vaccine developments will be halted or slowed down due to Government waste and incompetency.
I am against the mandatory application of this vaccine, I just wanted to amplify how we will be totally screwed if we get a health care bill forced down our throats.
I'd like more info but this looks bad.
One of these stories had the death rate at 1 in 912 for the trial.
The death rate for cervical cancer is 1 in 40,000 each year.
apparently, this dr is being misquoted. the origin for this anti vaccine article is a web site that is opposed to vaccinations of any kind, but, instead, promotes natural cures on it’s site
to see this story, combine the following into 1 url address
http://74.125.113.132/search?q=cache:JxxfcQofzCwJ:www.kpcnews.com/
index.php%3Foption%3Dcom_content%26view%3Darticle%26id%3D7528:
So-what-DID-the-HPV-researcher-say%3F%26catid%3D191:cindy-bevington+dr+
diane+harper+international+public+conference+vaccination&cd=10&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
or search for
diane harper kpcnews so what did the hpv researcher say
in google, and look in the cached page for the following
So what DID the HPV researcher say?
Cindy Bevington
Friday, 16 October 2009 13:34
First, I want to apologize for not keeping up with this blog. I had some health issues that needed attending — but now I’m back at informing readers about the events and speakers at the National Vaccine Information Center’s International Public Conference on Vaccine Issues.
This blog will talk about the presentation given by Dr. Diane Harper, one of the lead researchers who helped Merck and GlaxoSmithKline develop a vaccine for human papilloma virus, or HPV. The vaccines protect against up to four HPVs, depending on which vaccine you use. Merck’s is the four-valent, protecting against two HPVs that can lead to cervical cancer. The other two cause genital warts, a rare disease in the U.S. that is non-lifethreatening.
Since the conference ended Oct. 5, stories have proliferated on the Internet about Dr. Harper’s presentation. Some say she denounced the vaccines. Some say she claimed they didn’t work. Some go so far as to say she said the vaccines were more dangerous than the disease. I don’t know whether the authors of these reports attended this conference or not, but I was there. I was the moderator for Dr. Harper’s presentation, which she gave with dozens of slides on a PowerPoint. I have a copy of those slides. And I can say unequivocably that Dr. Harper is being misquoted and quoted out of context.
What she DID say
Before she even began her nearly one-hour presentation, the first thing she said was to compliment the conference organizers for centering the theme of the event around this slogan: “Show us the science and give us the choice.” As she proceeded into one of the most thorough and informative presenations I’ve ever heard in any conference I’ve ever attended, it became obvious that she believes in that slogan herself. Basically, she showed us the science. Then she told us, for those women living in DEVELOPED countries, this vaccine should be a choice, not a mandate.
Dr. Harper started out by explaining what cervical cancer is, who gets it and how. Of those women who do get it, 4 out of 5 are in developing, or third-world countries. Of those who get it in developed countries such as the U.S., 50 percent have NEVER had a Pap test — the clinical reason why so few women in the U.S. die from cervical cancer. Another 10 percent had not had a Pap for five years or more. Thirty percent had a false negative report on their Pap test, and 10 percent had inappropriate medical advice.
As far as the vaccine goes, we learned that it works VERY WELL in women with no current HPV infection. What that means is, if you’re positive for the HPV against which the vaccine protects, neither vaccine works. We also learned that children, both boys and girls can be positive for HPV whether they’ve had sex or not. However, since it may be unlikely that a person is positive for all four HPVs at the same time, getting the vaccine could help protect against the ones you’re not positive for. It also has some “cross-protection,” meaning the vaccine has been shown to be effective against a couple other HPVs that were not tested in the study.
As far as testing in young girls under age 15, the vaccines were tested only for safety — not whether they work or not in the girls, Harper said. Additionally, she acknowledged that some girls have suffered adverse reactions to the vaccine, including deaths. What is interesting is that published data, according to Harper, show that the vaccine being used in the United Kingdom — Cervarix — actually has shown to be longer-lasting than the one used here in the states, Gardasil. In fact, 35 percent of Gardasil-vaccinated women ages 15 to 26 lose their antibodies to one of the vaccine’s four HPVs within three years.
The startling information came next: “If HPV vaccines are not effective for AT LEAST 15 YEARS, THEN NO CERVICAL CANCER IS PREVENTED. It is merely postponed.”
The problem is obvious, then: If it’s already wearing off at 3 years, how safe are those 11- and 12-year-olds we’re vaccinating right now against cervical cancer when they’re older???
Dr. Harper addressed the injury reports turned in to the CDC’s VAERS (vaccine adverse event reports), noting that 32 deaths, with 20 confirmed, had been reported in the U.S. after Gardasil. Also, 13 reports of Guillian Barre Syndrome have shown up, as have four reports of juvenile, ALS-like (Lou Gerig’s disease) symptoms.
The bottom line is, the duration of these vaccines — how long they work — is the biggest unknown. Also, in order to protect women from cervical cancer targeted by these vaccines, the U.S. would have to fully vaccinate a minimum of 70 percent of the female population in the U.S. for SIXTY years, straight, without fail, in order to see a significant drop in cervical cancer. If that rate goes down, Dr. Harper warned, the rise in cancer witll go up.
“Vaccinating in the U.S., then, will not reduce cervical cancer,” Harper said. “But it will prevent a number of colposcopic exams and precancerous lesions.”
She stressed that there are more than 100 different HPVs, and that the vaccines protect against the ones that cause only about 70 percent of cervical cancers, which means, women will still have to get Pap smears regularly to help prevent the other 30 percent, if they are protected at all against the 70 percent by the vaccine.
What then, is the value of this vaccine? If you live in Africa, where cervical cancer is one of the leading causes of death in women, the risks far outweigh the benefits because the vaccines do work. But if you live here in the U.S., then it is important to consider the adverse reports, your personal needs and the fact that you’ll probably need boosters before you decide to get the shot for your child or teenager.
The conclusion is, no matter how many we vaccinate, we cannot eradicate HPV. And, here in the U.S., Harper said, to vaccinate or not should be an added option to consider for a girl’s health plan — a CHOICE, not a mandate. On the other hand, it could save hundreds of thousands of lives in third-world countries.
This is only a synopsis of her talk. But it pretty much puts the shots in perspective as we look around the U.S. and think about whether this should even be a consideration of a mandate in this country. Also — Dr. Harper did advocate for more complete reporting of adverse events after these shots, with a better VAERS system in place.
He was arrested and hauled off to what fate I have no idea, but one of the anesthetics had the unfortunate side effect of turning brains into jelly.
Seems to me the marketing department at that company, and probably at others, is more interested in pushing untried drugs, nostrums, notions and geegaws out the door than in making sure such items don't kill the customers.
Time to sell the assets to more responsible and deserving owners!
thanks :)
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