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In 1942, it came down to one Marine
Las Vegas Review-Journal ^ | 25 oct 09 | Vin Suprynowicz

Posted on 10/25/2009 4:49:12 AM PDT by rellimpank

It's hard to envision -- or, for the dwindling few, to remember -- what the world looked like on Oct. 26, 1942, when a few thousand U.S. Marines stood essentially stranded on the God-forsaken jungle island of Guadalcanal, placed like a speed bump at the end of the long blue-water slot between New Guinea and the Bismarck Archipelago, the most likely route for the Japanese Navy to take if they hoped to reach Australia.

On Guadalcanal, the Marines struggled to complete an airfield. Japanese Adm. Isoroku Yamamoto knew what that meant. No effort would be spared to dislodge these upstart Yanks. Before long, relentless Japanese counterattacks had driven supporting U.S. Navy vessels from inshore waters. The Marines were on their own.

As Platoon Sgt. Mitchell Paige and his 33 riflemen set about carefully placing their four water-cooled .30-caliber Brownings, manning their section of the thin khaki line that was expected to defend Henderson Field against the assault everyone expected on the night of Oct. 25, 1942, it's unlikely anyone thought they were about to provide the definitive answer to what had previously been a mainly theoretical question: How many able-bodied U.S. Marines does it take to hold a hill against a desperate attacking force of 2,000?

Nor did the commanders of the mighty Japanese Army, who had swept all before them for decades -- OK, they decided not to push Marshall Zhukov any further in Manchuria -- expect their advance to be halted on some God-forsaken jungle ridge manned by one thin line of Yanks in khaki in October 1942

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; guadalcanal; japan; marines; mitchellpaige; moh; suprynowicz; usmc; vin; vinsuprynowicz; worldwar2; worldwareleven; ww2; wwii
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To: knarf

“the heroism of this caliber can never happen again.”

Sure it can...and does. Read Michael Yon’s dispatches, especially the “Gates of Fire” dispatch.


61 posted on 10/25/2009 8:58:39 AM PDT by olrtex
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To: Nevadan

We Were Soldiers seemed a little sappy. That scene with the photographer was Corny. But Sam Elloit Sargent Major was very good. It could have been better, but at least it wasnt That Oliver Stone trash” Platoon”
And it is a trend to humanize our enemies, even those whose brutal treatment of captured Americans, like “Letter from Iwo Jima”.The japs may have been brave, but they were heartless, Like the NVA.


62 posted on 10/25/2009 9:00:34 AM PDT by Yorlik803 ( Better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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To: rellimpank

bump


63 posted on 10/25/2009 9:02:01 AM PDT by VOA
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
Don't forget Taking Chance. While technically not a "war movie", this docu-drama shows the last journey home of Marine Lance Corporal Chance Phelps, who was killed in action in Iraq and how total strangers go out of their way to honor him and show their respect.
64 posted on 10/25/2009 9:09:13 AM PDT by Stonewall Jackson (Put your trust in God; but mind to keep your powder dry. - Oliver Cromwell)
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To: olrtex

Great article..I will send it to lots of marines I know.
We also should recognize that the current long war we are fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan has had many heroic fights, where american’s have once again proved that they know how to fight against long odds. (with and without superior technical back up)..the recent incident in Afghanistan where are soldiers stood against 500 or more Taliban and had no artiliary of air support for many hours, was example of heroism. The fictional phrase..”where do we get men like these”


65 posted on 10/25/2009 9:11:49 AM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: rellimpank
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66 posted on 10/25/2009 9:40:56 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist *DTOM* -ww- I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: Iron Munro

At Parris Island, we learned all about these heros. To learn more, read the book “Marine -the life of Chesty Puller”. Puller commanded 1/7 and had another great hero machine gunner, “Manila John” Basilone. On the night of October 24, Puller’s undermanned battalion fought off a Japanese division. Basilone was in charge of several machine guns, on low ground. The guns had to stop firing to clear the dead Japanese from the firing lanes. The water-cooled guns got so hot that gunners were urinating in the jackets.

The mortars fired until they were red hot; by morning, only the “top of the tube projected from the mud”. The 11th artillery, commanded by Pedro del Valle, fired his 105’s until they “were white hot at the muzzles”.

Both Paige and basilone were awarded the Medal of Honor; Puller won another Navy Cross.


67 posted on 10/25/2009 10:00:21 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: Bender2

Thanks for the link!


68 posted on 10/25/2009 11:15:53 AM PDT by ASOC (Cave quid dicis, quando, et cui)
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To: rellimpank

The Marines’ performance at Guadalcanal is even more admirable given that the first among them landed w/ bolt-action Springfield ‘03 rifles.


69 posted on 10/25/2009 11:38:21 AM PDT by matt1234
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To: rellimpank
A dwindling number of the boys who fought in the Pacific -- or in Europe or North Africa -- are still with us. When they are gone, will the lessons they learned vanish with them?

It's looking that way.

We gave away our advantages, one by one, based on our trust in the good will of man. Till it came down to one Marine.

Shall we have to cut it that close, again?

If Obama has his way, we will, and we'll lose to the combined forces of Red and Green. Communism and militant Islam. (Then they'll turn on each other of course).

70 posted on 10/25/2009 11:50:18 AM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: knarf
Apparently my Uncle would never talk, at least to his sisters, wife and daughter, about his WW-II Navy experiences. At my grandfather's ninety-something birthday, (He died at 99+), that Uncle and I found ourselves off to the side in conversation. (I was on my way to my first annual tour at may last AF Reserve unit). Uncle M, who is now also deceased, related a few experiences of his time on a seagoing tug. Nothing too gruesome, although he said the worst was cleaning up after the big Typhoon, worse than what the Japanese had done to the ships they hauled back to port, or fought fires on. But on the way back to my Mom's house, she said, "Uncle M never said that much about his war experiences to anyone in the family". I felt honored, although I expect that he did to his sons, one of which was also Navy during the Vietnam era (but who never left San Diego) and another of which was an Army Artilleryman, in country, towards the end of the Vietnam war.

My paternal Uncle was also Navy, Naval Armed Guard on the Liberty ship "George Rogers Clark,",sunk by U-boat in the Greenland sea in November of '42. He was picked up by a British armed trawler, and only lost a couple of toes to frostbite. He never spoke of any of it. I never even knew anything other than he'd been in the Navy and had frostbitten toes. Didn't know about the couple of days in a liferaft watching the civilian captain and mate motor off towards Iceland ... never to be seen or heard from again.

Dad was Army, searchlights and radar to direct them. Later training cadre, and finally sent overseas, just in time for the Battle of the Bulge. His was one of those "green units" that you read about getting massacred when the Germans attacked through the forrest. But he wasn't with them, he was in Le Harve France, getting his appendix out.

71 posted on 10/25/2009 12:11:21 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: barb-tex
Heavy though they were, the M1917 Heavy(WC),the M1919 Light(AC). The .50 BMG and the M1917 B.A.R, did not have failure in their vocabulary.

Ma is still soldiering on. She's mounted on M1A1 Abrams, M2/3 Bradly vehicles, Hummers, various trucks, and of course tripods.

JJM Browning worked very closely with Fabrique Nationale, and to some extent the M-249 and M-240 are direct decedents of the M1919 and the BAR. Here's Ma (on the left) and an M240, mounted on an Abrams.


72 posted on 10/25/2009 12:21:19 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Nevadan
The one thing I didn’t quite “get” was Gibson’s attempt to equate the bravery of our soldiers with that of the enemy. I’m not denying that the VC weren’t brave in their cause - but, they were fighting for an evil, abhorrant one. Just as the Japanese fought to a suicidal extent - but all for a terrible thing. I just have a hard time admiring that.

That wasn't Gibson, it was the character he was portraying. Lt. Col. (later Lt. Gen.) Hal Moore. Read his two books ("We Were Soldier's Once..." and "We are Soldiers Still") (both with reporter Joe Gallowy ). That's the way they both felt. He even went to Vietnam and met the NVA (not VC) officer who was on the other side during that battle. They returned to LZ X-Ray, in part to exorcise their demons. They even spent the night there, although that wasn't in the official plan and General Anh, now deceased, did not spend it with them. Later they went to LZ-Albany, where thing were worse, especially for the Americans, but where Moore and Galloway were not involved.

They started as old enemies, but became friends.

Ironically the Vietnamese actor, Don Duong, who played then Lt. Col. Anh got termed a National Traitor, and it was touch and go for a bit, but due to the general uproar, and the desire of the Vietnamese to improve relations, he was allowed to emigrate to the US.

73 posted on 10/25/2009 12:44:39 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: NTHockey
The mortars fired until they were red hot; by morning, only the “top of the tube projected from the mud”. The 11th artillery, commanded by Pedro del Valle, fired his 105’s until they “were white hot at the muzzles”.

At least their loggies kept them supplied with plenty of ammo. That hasn't always been the case, but our military is much better at it than almost any other. What did I read once? "Amateurs study tactics, professionals study logistics" or something to that effect.

74 posted on 10/25/2009 12:47:17 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Soul of the South

Would have sh*t his panties and ran home to his Red Grandma.


75 posted on 10/25/2009 1:03:49 PM PDT by US Navy Vet
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To: afraidfortherepublic
" I am just shocked that I have never heard of Paige before."

You should consider a tour of duty with the Marines. We have many who performed just like Sergent Paige.

Semper Fi
An Old Man

76 posted on 10/25/2009 2:14:57 PM PDT by An Old Man (Use it up, Wear it out, Make it do, or Do without.)
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To: Osage Orange

No, I don’t think so. The one they let go was definitely the one that Upham shot in the street as he was trying to surrender again. The German even said, “Upham” as if to say, “You know me. Don’t shoot.”


77 posted on 10/25/2009 2:40:37 PM PDT by CholeraJoe (Too many guns, too much ammo, Santa Claus - all mythical.)
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To: JoeMac

The cartridge is .50 Browning Machine Gun otherwise known as .50BMG.


78 posted on 10/25/2009 5:07:14 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA /Patron - TSRA- IDPA)
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To: rellimpank
We gave away our advantages, one by one, based on our trust in the good will of man. Till it came down to one Marine.

Shall we have to cut it that close, again?

Minus that hero's training, I shall stand until my heart no longer pumps blood.

79 posted on 10/25/2009 5:54:38 PM PDT by wastedyears (Clyde Shelton is my hero.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

As long as the real heros, bare their scars
and tell their sons...
there will be heros.

Being a community organizer doesn’t count.


80 posted on 10/25/2009 5:58:22 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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