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Dede Scozzafava Should Withdraw
Red State ^ | October 22, 2009

Posted on 10/22/2009 7:51:40 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued

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To: Clintonfatigued
The situation is reminiscent of the decades the right was split in Canada — the Liberals marched up the middle in every election. I sure hope that isn’t where the U.S. is headed.
21 posted on 10/22/2009 8:22:23 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: Man50D

She is a longshoreman in drag. Drop out of the race.


22 posted on 10/22/2009 8:34:13 PM PDT by Frantzie (Do we want ACORN running America's health care?)
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To: Clintonfatigued

The false report she filed is disgusting...
but seeing some republican orgs pushing her candidacy, that is far more disgusting


23 posted on 10/22/2009 9:04:43 PM PDT by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
The situation is reminiscent of the decades the right was split

By all accounts, she's more liberal than the Democrat in the race. She's been endorsed by the Daily Kos. How is she going to split the conservative vote?

24 posted on 10/22/2009 9:14:15 PM PDT by altair (All I want for Christmas is NO legislation passed for the rest of the year)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Finally I see how this works. They go to a place that is solidly Republican and run as a “Republican” who happens to have some (actually ALL) Democrat or Liberal stances on “certain issues”...but they use the label of “R” since that is who has the district. Why don’t Conservatives start running as Democrats in solid “D” districts and just be vague and evasive on their views? It is a win-win approach.


25 posted on 10/22/2009 9:14:24 PM PDT by Anima Mundi (The trouble with trouble is it starts out as Utopia)
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To: Clintonfatigued

She really needs to drop out. She was in the lead before this month, but since the endorsements and all her SNAFU’s on the campaign trail, she has dropped like a rock. The polls last week were at 33-29-23 (Owens-Scuzzlebutt-Hoffman) with Hoffman jumping from single digits to almost even with Scuzzle. The Dem is polling in a way that of Scuzzle doesn’t split the vote, it could be an easy win for Conservatives.

The other tactic is to somehow shift the mode of thinking and make Owens and Scuzzlebutt fight for the same voters. Highlight Scuzzle’s liberal beliefs, let the pro-choicers leave Owens for Scuzzle and use her like a third party spoiler against the dems.


26 posted on 10/22/2009 9:29:04 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: altair
How is she going to split the conservative vote?

Party line voters and the NRA endorsement. (plus Newt boot lickers).

27 posted on 10/22/2009 9:29:45 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: Clintonfatigued

ACORN candidate and democrat mole Dede Scozzafava does not give a rat’s patootie about the Republican Party. Her allegiance is to extreme liberalism.

She will stay in the race to make sure a leftist will be elected one way or another.


28 posted on 10/22/2009 9:49:32 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember (When the past no longer illuminates the future, the spirit walks in darkness.)
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To: Clintonfatigued; Impy; All
>> The MSM is absurd to call her a moderate- she’s an out-and-out liberal running in a conservative constituancy. Not only is she not a conservative, she isn’t even a moderate. She’s a liberal, plain and simple. <<

You have to understand how the mainstream media's vocabulary works. According to them, there is NO such thing as liberals. There are only moderates, conservatives , and ultra-conservatives/right-wing extremists . Here's how people end up in any of their categories.

"Moderate" = Anyone who's not a card-carrying communist and doesn't fit the two categories below. Example sentence: "Hillary Clinton, brandishing her common sense, politically moderate positions , won over the people of New York in her 2000 Senate bid"

"Conservative" = Anyone who's ever done anything remotely right of center during their political career. Example sentence: "President Obama went on to defeat conservative Senator John McCain of Arizona"

"Extreme Right-Wing/Ultra Conservative" = Anyone who takes conservative positions the majority of the time. Example sentence: "One of the big losers of 2006 was Rick Santorum, an ultra conservative "family values" Senator from Pennsyavania whose appeal was limited to extreme right wing of the Republican Party"

Furthermore, how you become a "moderate" varies depending on political party. A Democrat who deviates from their own party on ANY part of the Dem platform is deemed a "moderate", i.e. "Howard Dean was demonized by Republicans as outside the mainstream during his 2004 campaign, though he had governed as a moderate in Vermont". (as a result, virtually every Democrat official is a "moderate" according to the MSM since only a handful have perfect 100% liberal track records. Jerry Brown, moderate. Jimmy Carter, moderate. Jesse Jackson, moderate. Etc.) However, in order to be labeled a Republican "moderate" by the mainstream media, you must disagree with the rest of the GOP on MOST of their platform, i.e. "Jeffords left the Republican Party in 2001 after realizing the party had simply become too right-wing and intolerant of moderate Republicans like himself"

In order to be labeled a "moderate on social issues", you must support abortion on demand in EVERY single circumstance, i.e. "Mark Kirk and Meg Whitman, both moderates on social issues, are the new face of the GOP for 2010". If a Republican favors any type of restriction on abortion, like banning late term abortion, they're not "moderate" in MSM land.

In order to be labeled a "fiscal conservative" by the mainstream media, you must fulfill the following criteria: 1) Call yourself a "fiscal conservative", regardless of what your views and record actually are 2) Be running against someone the mainstream media dislikes.

Note the mainstream media considers people that are "fiscally conservative and socially moderate" to be the ideal type of political official in America, and will give any candidate they want to win this label.

29 posted on 10/22/2009 11:39:17 PM PDT by BillyBoy (Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: Man50D; USFRIENDINVICTORIA; Clintonfatigued; Frantzie; mnehring; SteelTrap; SatinDoll; altair; ...
All this rhetoric about her withdrawing sounds good. But in the end it is pretty meaningless.

It is too late for the ballots to be changed. Her name will be on the ballot, even if she withdraws. And the habitual straight ticket “R” voter will still vote for her.

I would rather see her earn her third place finish, rather than dropping out. That way the defeat can be total. There can be no question when the “leadership” tries to sell us the next DIABLO as a candidate “who can win the election.” This needs to be a clear example of where that kind of thinking leads.

Has everyone seen this: “The Most Important Number in Politics Today.”

Doug Hoffman is the Conservative alternative in this race (or Hoffman by PayPal).

Markos Moulitsas, founder of The Daily Kos has endorsed Scozzafava. Dede Scozzafava has also been endorsed by NYSUT, the largest labor union in New York, and an affiliate of the National Education Association.

Scozzafava also holds these positions:

Scozzafava has also run in past elections on the Working Families Party (a progressive party associated with ACORN) line on the ballot.

This lady isn’t a RINO, she is a big “R” libeRal democRat. Mark Steyn has coined the term DIABLO for her and others like her. Democrat In All But Label Only.

There are also at least 17 unprincipled DIABLO enablers in the house who have donated funds or otherwise supported to this LibeRal democRat's DIABLO’s campaign. They include Boehner, Cantor, Sessions, Hensarling, Brown-Waite and McCotter. I don’t have a full list, but I will be looking for it. These unprincipled enablers should be targeted for elimination in the primaries next year. Also, perhaps those of us who donated to the RNC or RCCC should ask for our money back so we can support the conservative candidates of our choice.

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From the desk of
cc2k:
I support Doug Hoffman for Congress (PayPal).

Please, spread the word about this important election on November 3, 2009 in New York’s 23rd congressional district.

30 posted on 10/23/2009 5:34:25 AM PDT by cc2k (I have donated to Doug Hoffman, have you? [check my recent reply posts])
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To: cc2k
What are the current poll numbers?
31 posted on 10/23/2009 6:01:46 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser, fashionable fascism one charade at a time.)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Anyone who believes that Scozzafava would endorse Hoffman is a fool. If she drops out, she will endorse the Democrat!


32 posted on 10/23/2009 6:11:32 AM PDT by AFPhys ((Praying for our troops, our citizens, that the Bible and Freedom become basis of the US law again))
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To: Clintonfatigued

agreed


33 posted on 10/23/2009 6:12:46 AM PDT by Jet Jaguar (A mob of one.)
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Carry_Okie wrote:
What are the current poll numbers?
There are no current published polls. The organization that published the most recent poll (over a week old) published their latest weekly reports Wednesday, but only reported on the New York governor’s race next year. Nothing about this race in the 23rd district.

The last published poll that is about 2 weeks old had Hoffman down by 10 points, and moving up with good momentum.

I suspect that internal polls now show Hoffman with a lead. I can’t imagine Palin, and especially Bachmann endorsing Hoffman if they didn’t have strong data that they were backing a winner. A Hoffman loss will be bad for Bachmann with her endorsement.

The one data collection that will be available is funding. There are some FEC filings that were due yesterday I think. I haven’t searched for them yet, but they will tell something. There was some information out yesterday, see: “The Most Important Number in Politics Today.”


From the desk of
cc2k:
I support Doug Hoffman for Congress (PayPal).

Please, spread the word about this important election on November 3, 2009 in New York’s 23rd congressional district.

34 posted on 10/23/2009 6:31:48 AM PDT by cc2k (I have donated to Doug Hoffman, have you? [check my recent reply posts])
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To: cc2k
The one data collection that will be available is funding.

We gave him money. I can't stand RINOs because conservatives get blamed for the damage they do.

See tag line.

35 posted on 10/23/2009 7:25:02 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser, fashionable fascism one charade at a time.)
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To: Clintonfatigued; firebrand; ml/nj; ExTexasRedhead; Liz; romanesq; SunkenCiv; theothercheek; ...
Well, there is a silver lining to this. Even if the 'Rat should win this special election, he'll be up for re-election next year in what will likely be a very difficult environment for them. In that event, the GOP couldn't nominate a "moderate" again without that nominee getting challenged by a conservative in a GOP primary. Thus the GOP nominee NEXT YEAR would be a conservative, and the seat would almost surely go to a conservative Republican in the 2010 general election. So, under that scenario, we might be a year late, but we would get the seat finally.

And, BTW, the seat is open now simply because the Republican incumbent decided to join the Obama Administration. Any Republican who would do that is selling out his party and the conservative movement. So replacing him with a 'Rat for a year wouldn't be the greatest tragedy in the world - unless ...

36 posted on 10/23/2009 12:56:58 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93; AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; ...

Thanks justiceseeker93, goog points.


37 posted on 10/23/2009 5:25:19 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: BillyBoy

You said it.

It really makes my blood boil. Melisa Bean is a social moderate and fiscal conservative! In other news Governor Crist luvs the ladies.

Since the labels mean whatever anyone wants I am a “progressive” for supporting SS reform and school choice.


38 posted on 10/24/2009 1:27:19 AM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN | NO "INDIVIDUAL MANDATE"!!!!!!!)
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To: Man50D

She looks like a heftier version of Janet Reno


39 posted on 10/24/2009 1:29:25 AM PDT by dennisw (Obama -- our very own loopy, leftist god-thing.)
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