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Feds lock down amberjack WITHOUT NOTICE during busiest fishing month
Destin Log ^ | 10/21/09 | Hioward Morrison

Posted on 10/21/2009 11:22:49 AM PDT by Howard Morrison

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To: Engineer_Soldier

Most of us call it “Southern, by the Grace of God”...


41 posted on 10/21/2009 12:33:33 PM PDT by Robbin (If Sarah isnÂ’t welcome, IÂ’m not welcome, itÂ’s just that simpleÂ…)
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To: capt. norm

My late father-in-law brought back an amberjack from a Gulf fishing trip and smoked it one time. Most delicious fish I believe I have ever had!


42 posted on 10/21/2009 12:35:19 PM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

***A metal medal??? ;-) ***

Anything to prove I’m not a “Dandy lion.”;-)


43 posted on 10/21/2009 12:57:59 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (You talkin' ta me? YOU TALKIN TO ME! Well just who are you talkin' to?)
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To: r9etb
Partly because the red snapper, red grouper, scamp, and black grouper have been fished out in a lot of places.

How True!

Our sports fishermen did not do this...it was commercial fisherman virtually erasing fishing spots with 15 and 20 hook rigs and huge reels nicknamed "one-armed bandits" that brought the fishery to its knees.

The worst thing that could possibly happen to a captain would be a commercial boat catching you on a good spot and casually taking readings on it as they come past you. The only thing helping us was the fact that we had no GPS back then and they had to use loran-c and its earlier cousin loran-a which were only accurate enough to get you "in the ballpark". From there you'd have to read the bottom and run a pattern to locate the fish.

There's a huge difference between recreational fishermen catching their limit of red snapper and a commercial boat taking 12,000 pounds in one trip.

A lot of these "commercial fishermen" were actually transients who fished "on shares". They would go out on a boat with its owner covering fuel, food, etc. and when they got in and the catch was sold, they'd get their share minus expenses. They would then hit the bars and not be seen again until they ran out of money. The waterfront became infested with them and the cheap run-down apartments and motels where they hung out went out of business when this form of "fishing" became illegal. Commercial fishing still hits the red snapper stocks pretty hard, but nowhere as bad as it used to be.

44 posted on 10/21/2009 1:24:27 PM PDT by capt. norm (Never underestimate the power of very stupid people in large groups.)
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To: r9etb
The West Coast fisheries I'm referring to? Primarily salmon? I was raised in the commercial fishing industry, and I can tell you that salmon is/was only ONE of many fisheries here. My dad and brothers, full-time professional fishermen, fished salmon only on a very limited basis, a few months or less of the year -- it was ONE of their fisheries; the other, more important one was albacore, and they spent seven or eight months at sea per year fishing it. I grew up with kids whose dads' fisheries were mostly OTHER than salmon -- indeed, salmon was only one of many, and for the fishermen I knew, one of the smaller fisheries.

Industrial-scale fishing harvests on the West Coast were rarely done by American fishermen (I believe the sardine fishery is an exception), and certainly not in salmon or albacore, which required trolling -- NOT trawling, but trolling. Do you know the difference? Huge harvests that threatened those fisheries off American waters were made by vast, factory-ship Russian trawlers, and when the offshore limit was 3 and then 12 miles, it was a real problem; my dad was one of the fishermen who worked hard to organize commercial fishermen and make the 100-mile offshore limit a reality.

It always amazes me how people who don't fish for a living think commercial fisherman could be so STUPID that they'd outfish and destroy their own livelihoods and mismanage the resources that feeds and clothes their families, while all the oh-so-smart hobby fishermen, many of whom took undersized catches without blinking an eye and at no more risk than a fine, whereas commercial fishermen who take undersized catches risk loving a whole lot more than a few bucks, had all the answers. For generations, the commercial fisheries did just fine with the sensible, mutually-agreed-upon rules. It was not "industrial scale fishing" that decimated the abalone beds on California's Central Coast. It was not "industrial scale fishing" that has kept perfectly good trollers from going out and harvesting still-thriving albacore runs. No, it was and is more often stupid regulations made by people with no actual experience in the workaday reality of the fisheries that keep men from making a living on the sea.

45 posted on 10/21/2009 5:09:05 PM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent.)
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To: r9etb
Ooops. Make that a 200 mile limit.

Come to think of it, I knew a whole helluva lot of full time, commercial West Coast fisherman and I can't think of a single one who made his living exclusivly fishing salmon. NOT ONE.

46 posted on 10/21/2009 5:11:59 PM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent.)
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To: r9etb
The fisheries I know of that have been decimated by exploding populations of seals, sea lions, and otters are net-caught bottom fish like red snapper, lincod, halibut, etc. Those USED to be excellent ways for men to clothe and feed their families, and they happily did so, sharing the resource with responsible sports fishermen, for generations. When seals and sea lions became protected and their numbers tripled so much that they now literally sink docks and boats they choose to lay on, and because of their protected status can do it without fear of being SHOT, those fisheries gradually disappeared and rubes who love to have honest American enterprise blamed it on the greedy stupid commercial fishermen instead of the thousands of fat seals and sea lions who eat hundreds of tons of fish per day. Talk about industrial harvesting!! GET A CLUE!!! Look a little further than the party line, please!!!!
47 posted on 10/21/2009 5:23:32 PM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent.)
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To: Howard Morrison

Because you don’t really need to pimp your blog twice in less than a half-hour...


48 posted on 10/21/2009 5:37:03 PM PDT by steveo (Two Thousand Ten - Never Again)
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To: Finny

Looks like I hit a nerve. I don’t have time to do more than scan your extended rant, but it seems that you agree with me on the basic elements: over-fishing is a real phenomenon, and it is largely caused by industrial-scale fishing operations.


49 posted on 10/21/2009 6:25:59 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: capt. norm

Amberjack was the first big fish I ever caught. Snapped the blasted rod in two. Mate on the boat brought it in by hand. You are right about the taste.


50 posted on 10/21/2009 7:35:31 PM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: Howard Morrison

Of course they are. The Chicago Way. Nobody does nuthin’ wid out cuttin’ dem in on it...


51 posted on 10/21/2009 7:36:35 PM PDT by mo
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To: San Jacinto
Look on the bright side, Cap. Maybe obammy will only carry MI by 10 or 12 points next election. .....friggin' suicidal blue staters.

I don't understand you post?

52 posted on 10/21/2009 7:41:03 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: r9etb
It always hits a nerve when I see people who don't know what they're talking about when it comes to commercial fishing on the West Coast blather on with authority on things about which they obviously don't have a clue. You should read my "rants" -- at least they're informed.

I grew up in the industry. How about you?

53 posted on 10/21/2009 8:10:41 PM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent.)
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To: r9etb
No, I have informed reason to DISAGREE with you on the "basic elements." Do you have a brick wall for a head or something? Domestically, over-fishing is a frequently made-up phenomenon, rarely caused by industrial scale fishing operations and either non-existent (as with albacore) or exploding populations of seals and sea lions. You HARM COMMERCIAL FISHING AND FREE ENTERPRISE when you push your misinformed propaganda putting the blame on honest, smart, know-what-they're doing commercial fishermen.

Like I say, I grew up in the industry. How about you?

54 posted on 10/21/2009 8:16:43 PM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent.)
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To: T-Bird45

“My late father-in-law brought back an amberjack from a Gulf fishing trip and smoked it one time”

I tried it once, but I didn’t inhale.


55 posted on 10/21/2009 8:20:01 PM PDT by Rebelbase (This is the time of year when ACORNS fall.)
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To: Finny

“Like I say, I grew up in the industry. How about you?”

No bias there.


56 posted on 10/21/2009 8:22:34 PM PDT by Rebelbase (This is the time of year when ACORNS fall.)
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To: Rebelbase; r9etb
Biased? Try informed and knowledgeable. Ignorant people are easily duped, and that includes people ignorant enough to believe the "overfished! greedy commercial fishermen!" line. For God's sake, be CONSERVATIVES worthy of Free Republic! You guys sound like a bunch of liberals. Do you really think real commercial fishermen would be so stupid as to ruin their own livelihoods, livelihoods that supported whole familes for generations? That you're so willing to think so low of people in a profession that you probably couldn't hack for six months, let alone survive it, says a lot. You should be ashamed.

You guys are all sitting ducks for environmentalists and you don't even know it because you dont'really know the first thing about the realities of commercial fishing. r9 STUPIDLY stated that salmon was the primary commercial fishery for the West Coast, which proves that he doesn't know his ass from a hot rock.

57 posted on 10/21/2009 8:32:10 PM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent.)
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To: Finny

It doesn’t take an environmentalist to see trawlers cleaning out entire areas of fish species. And it doesn’t take an environmentalist to see how states that have curtailed net fishing have had their fish stocks rebound to healthy levels measured on the recreational end.

But I do call bullshit on this albacore ban.

“The data is based on “landings” and some of the data is collected through “dock-side surveys and phone calls,” according to Charlene Ponce, an agency spokeswoman.”

How long does a “dock side” fish surveyor stay employed if they don’t report “healthy” numbers to achieve a preset goal?


58 posted on 10/21/2009 8:44:22 PM PDT by Rebelbase (This is the time of year when ACORNS fall.)
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