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In Flu Pandemic, Florida’s Hospitals May Exclude Certain Patients (unbelievable)
Propublica ^ | 10/16/09 | Sheri Fink,

Posted on 10/19/2009 12:51:20 PM PDT by blueyon

Florida health officials are drawing up guidelines that recommend barring patients with incurable cancer, end-stage multiple sclerosis and other conditions from being admitted to hospitals if the state is overwhelmed by flu cases.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: agenda; certain; exclude; florida; floridas; flu; h1n1; hospitals; influenza; obama; obamacare; pandemic; patients; socializedmedicine; swineflu
If this is the plan in place now, one can only imagine what it will be like under Obamacare.....Yes you will be left to die! I am outraged that a person with the flu is deemed more important then letting a terminally sick person die with out some assisted medical aides and treatments (like oxygen)so that they can at least end their live with as much comefort as we in the free world can offer!!!!!!!!!
1 posted on 10/19/2009 12:51:20 PM PDT by blueyon
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To: blueyon
There's nothing new about triage in medical emergencies. Why would this be any different? I don't see anything to get riled up about.
2 posted on 10/19/2009 12:54:24 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: blueyon

Sounds like triage to me.


3 posted on 10/19/2009 12:54:52 PM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: blueyon
But ... but ... but ... they told me Sarah Palin made up that whole thing about Death Panels! They said ... they said the government would never do something like that!

You mean ... you mean they lied?

4 posted on 10/19/2009 12:55:00 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Play the Race Card -- lose the game.)
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To: blueyon

In cases of natural disaster and war, triage is routinely practiced. This is going one step beyond that.
There is no doubt that the coming socialist medicine scheme that they are planning will do this and worse.


5 posted on 10/19/2009 12:55:26 PM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: blueyon

A glimpse of things to come. The government calling the shots, deciding who gets care and who is left to die in agony. The government assigning relative value to human life — the same government that allows and funds abortions. The state Surgeon General makes this recommendation. The hospitals all start planning how they will put it into effect. Nice.


6 posted on 10/19/2009 12:55:47 PM PDT by La Lydia
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To: Prokopton
Well, what if it's you or one of your family members.

I got to admit, though, the hospital is the last place I would want to go in a pandemic scenario.
7 posted on 10/19/2009 12:56:03 PM PDT by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: ClearCase_guy
You mean ... you mean they lied?

OBAMA LIED AND PATIENTS DIED !

8 posted on 10/19/2009 12:56:17 PM PDT by OB1kNOb (As government grows, corruption flows.)
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To: blueyon

Just to play devil’s advocate.

You have the capacity to care for X number of people.

You are confronted with the possibility of an epidemic that presents you with X+Y number of patients.

What kind of triage do you do?


9 posted on 10/19/2009 12:56:30 PM PDT by El Sordo
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To: blueyon

Please do not get drawn up in this leftist trickery. The standard answer is that “Healthcare for Americans should not have to consider alternatives for lack of services. Any other consideration is symptomatic of an ineptly run, by that I mean GOVERNMENT, healthcare system, PERIOD!”


10 posted on 10/19/2009 12:57:21 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Prokopton
Triage is a dog-bites-man story. It's boring. There's nothing to see there.

But stories like this come out to prepare the ground for something bigger. It gets people thinking, "Well, yeah, I guess cutting off medical care to old Gran is pretty sensible, I mean, it's just triage, isn't it? We've always done that, right?"

11 posted on 10/19/2009 12:58:44 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Play the Race Card -- lose the game.)
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To: blueyon

While I share your outrage, consider the following scenario:

Two cruise ships crashes violently while docking in fog at a Florida port. Hundreds are seriously injured. They range widely in ages. They also range in severity of injury and likelihood of survival, and the need/urgency of care. The medical community on the spot has to perform triage. (you’ve likely seen this in movies/TV where the EMTs and docs put a 1, 2, or 3 or A, B or C on the patients’ foreheads.)

My point is that the medical community already has procedures and protocols in place for ‘mass casualty’ and pandemic events. When all CAN’T be treated and/or saved, and frankly some will die sooner/anyway, the medical community already has had the ethical debate about what to do, whom to treat, and sadly, whom to leave un-tended.

While this H1N1! hype is a different specific instance, those in primary and emergency care know they might have to face this tough set of choices one day.


12 posted on 10/19/2009 1:01:54 PM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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To: Prokopton

“There’s nothing new about triage in medical emergencies. Why would this be any different? I don’t see anything to get riled up about. “

Me neither. If we end up in a situation where the hospitals are overwhelmed a la 1918 this would be expected and indeed probably necessary. I’d hate to be in charge of making the protocols but would you give the last bed to an 80 year old dying of cancer over a 30 year old with two children and a previously clean bill of health?


13 posted on 10/19/2009 1:03:18 PM PDT by DemonDeac
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To: Thud

Colr me unsurprised by this development.


14 posted on 10/19/2009 1:05:42 PM PDT by Dark Wing
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To: blueyon

This is typical of planning for disaster scenarios. You divide people into 4 groups - the “walking wounded” who don’t need rapid help, the ones who need help soon but not immediately, the ones who need help NOW and have a decent chance to survive if they get it, and the ones unlikely to survive.

I’m not surprised they’re doing this kind of planning - I’d be surprised if they weren’t. This isn’t something they’ll go to casually, but when there are no more ventilators, who do you want to have a vent? Someone who won’t survive no matter what, or someone with a chance?


15 posted on 10/19/2009 1:08:48 PM PDT by sometime lurker
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To: blueyon
Well Obama told everyone before he won the 2008 Primary, that he had a "vision to re-make America."

The fact that that this is already "the plan in case of a true emergency" yet put into effect NOW over the much-hyped H1N1 media planted stories from Obama , is not only scary, it is a mere forerunner of what life will be like for us in the once great America, Land of the Free, Home of the Brave.

16 posted on 10/19/2009 1:17:13 PM PDT by zerosix (native sunflower)
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To: Constitution Day

‘The plan, which would guide Florida hospitals on how to ration scarce medical care during a severe flu outbreak, also calls for doctors to remove patients with a poor prognosis from ventilators’

The ‘plan’ is calling for it, not doctors. That’s a huge difference, don’t ya think?

They system isn’t overwhelmed. It’s anothe scare tactic.
GET SCARED AMERICA....SO RHAMBO CAN ‘NEVER LET A CRISIS GO TO WASTE’, EH?


17 posted on 10/19/2009 1:24:20 PM PDT by Freddd (CNN is not credible.)
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To: Freddd

Shouldn’t the ‘plan’ and ‘ration’ be key words in that sentence?!


18 posted on 10/19/2009 1:24:57 PM PDT by Freddd (CNN is not credible.)
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To: Gaffer

While I agree that our healthcare system should be able to cope with a massive outbreak, I think we all know that triage takes place whenever resources are inadequate. What complicates the H1N1 scenario, however, is that it’s inevitable that many of those being treated will be illegal aliens, while many of those left to die will be American citizens. That’s not triage; that’s a crime.


19 posted on 10/19/2009 1:41:20 PM PDT by Rightwingacademic
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To: Freddd

Already posted thread.


20 posted on 10/19/2009 1:42:21 PM PDT by varina davis (Life is not a dress rehearsal)
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