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Criminalizing everyone
Washington Times ^ | Oct 5, 2009 | Brian W. Walsh

Posted on 10/06/2009 5:53:46 AM PDT by decimon

Needed: A 'clean line' to determine lawfulness

"You don't need to know. You can't know." That's what Kathy Norris, a 60-year-old grandmother of eight, was told when she tried to ask court officials why, the day before, federal agents had subjected her home to a furious search.

The agents who spent half a day ransacking Mrs. Norris' longtime home in Spring, Texas, answered no questions while they emptied file cabinets, pulled books off shelves, rifled through drawers and closets, and threw the contents on the floor.

The six agents, wearing SWAT gear and carrying weapons, were with - get this- the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service.

Kathy and George Norris lived under the specter of a covert government investigation for almost six months before the government unsealed a secret indictment and revealed why the Fish and Wildlife Service had treated their family home as if it were a training base for suspected terrorists. Orchids.

That's right. Orchids.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abuseofpower; crime; cwii; donttreadonme; donutwatch; federallaw; jackbootedthugs; law; lping; overcriminalization; policestate; rapeofliberty; swat; unionthugs
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To: decimon

I heard of a case where this happened to a retired couple who stocked their pond with the wrong kinds of fish, too. These guys seem to LOVE scare tactics.

If the US ever decides it needs a corps of jack-booted thugs, the Fish and Wildlife cops are very well set up to play the role. fh


21 posted on 10/06/2009 6:19:36 AM PDT by faux_hog
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To: decimon

>before the government unsealed a secret indictment

Star Court anyone?


22 posted on 10/06/2009 6:21:06 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: marstegreg
I was a free country.

Excellent typo. Excellent.

23 posted on 10/06/2009 6:21:48 AM PDT by decimon
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To: SERE_DOC

like I said before, when States start locking up Federal Agents that cannot demonstrate the written word of the US Constitution authorizes their function. Only then will we begin the long journey to Freedom. it is cases like this that the 2nd Amendment was written for, Should the Governor call forth the Militia to suppress the Federal Usurpers of States Rights??

What would John Wayne do?


24 posted on 10/06/2009 6:22:22 AM PDT by eyeamok
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To: OneWingedShark
>before the government unsealed a secret indictment

Star Court anyone?

"You don't need to know. You can't know."

25 posted on 10/06/2009 6:24:33 AM PDT by decimon
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To: faux_hog
I'm told they have more power than any other agent in the federal government. They can ruin a person's life without cause. Apparently they enjoy that power. Really enjoy it.
26 posted on 10/06/2009 6:26:48 AM PDT by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: decimon
Surpised they didn't taz her and shoot the dog.

Over Orchids! We have become a Police State.

27 posted on 10/06/2009 6:26:49 AM PDT by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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To: decimon

It wasn’t intentional, but it kind of works, huh?


28 posted on 10/06/2009 6:28:53 AM PDT by marstegreg
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To: jwparkerjr

AFAIK that is the way it is supposed to work. Of course that may just have been the way it was before the Supremos stated hallucinating penumbras and such.


29 posted on 10/06/2009 6:28:55 AM PDT by magslinger (Inside every father is a Bryan Mills waiting to get out.)
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To: decimon

SImply must read the entire article. How many of us might very well be made criminals because of vague and over-reaching laws?


30 posted on 10/06/2009 6:29:21 AM PDT by TheBattman (Pray for our country...)
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To: Republic of Texas

This started in 2004. Can’t even blame Zer0! It is this kind of abuse that GWB and his administration should have sought to curtail. This is the kind of abuse of rights that is an outrage, but the left only cares (and most of the media only scream) when it is enemies of America who must face penalties.


31 posted on 10/06/2009 6:30:02 AM PDT by TNCMAXQ
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To: unixfox
Over Orchids! We have become a Police State.

"Flower Power" just don't mean what it used to.

32 posted on 10/06/2009 6:30:11 AM PDT by decimon
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To: marstegreg
It wasn’t intentional, but it kind of works, huh?

I think it does, sir. I do. I think it does.

33 posted on 10/06/2009 6:32:02 AM PDT by decimon
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To: faux_hog
These guys seem to LOVE scare tactics. If the US ever decides it needs a corps of jack-booted thugs, the Fish and Wildlife cops are very well set up to play the role

Where do these guys get the authority to detain and search Federally Documented Vessels in navigable waters? Are they in violation of Coast Guard Regulations by operating a vessel for compensation with out a Masters License? It apears that they are above the laws.

34 posted on 10/06/2009 6:35:27 AM PDT by River_Wrangler (Nothing difficult is ever easy!)
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To: magslinger

The Fourth Amendment was abrogated by the Drug War decades ago. To cheers and huzzahs from the crowd. So now the tactics are applied everywhere. So it goes.


35 posted on 10/06/2009 6:41:48 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: marstegreg

Two words every American must know and understand:

Jury Nullification


36 posted on 10/06/2009 6:42:11 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: decimon; All

37 posted on 10/06/2009 6:46:19 AM PDT by backhoe (All Across America, the Lights are being relit again...)
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To: P-Marlowe

Please explain. I am not legally savvy.


38 posted on 10/06/2009 6:47:34 AM PDT by marstegreg
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To: decimon

“Did you really think that we want those laws to be observed? We want them broken. You’d better get it straight that it’s not a bunch of boy scouts you’re up against . . . We’re after power and we mean it. You fellows were pikers, but we know the real trick, and you’d better get wise to it. There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What’s there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted - and you create a nation of law-breakers - and then you cash in on guilt. Now that’s the system, Mr. Rearden, and once you understand it, you’ll be much easier to deal with.”

Atlas Shrugged


39 posted on 10/06/2009 6:48:01 AM PDT by Kozak (USA 7/4/1776 to 1/20/2009 Reqiescat in Pace)
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To: decimon

Read the full article:

“The Norrises’ nightmare began with the search in October 2003. It didn’t end until Mr. Norris was released from federal supervision in December 2008. His wife testified, however, that even after he came home, the man she had married was still gone. He was by then 71 years old. Unsurprisingly, serving two years as a federal convict - in addition to the years it took to defend unsuccessfully against the charges - had taken a severe toll on him mentally, emotionally and physically.”

During the GW Bush years. You remember those? The same time frame that Border Patrol agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean were prosecuted, convicted and jailed for doing their jobs. That justice department witheld exculpatory information during their trial, just as the dangerous orchid growers did not receive their procedural right . . .
Well, procedural options, or whimseys.

There is a continuity from the New World Order to the Citizen of the World. Only fools would deny it, but there are a hell of a lot of fools who believe in empty suits and empty parties.

The United States has been misgoverned for 20 years, with at least 4 more to go.


40 posted on 10/06/2009 6:48:41 AM PDT by Psalm 144
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