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Senate Finance Committee Releases Its Final Text of Health-Care Bill
WaPo ^ | 10/2/2009

Posted on 10/04/2009 5:38:15 AM PDT by GVnana

Edited on 10/04/2009 5:41:39 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

The Senate Finance Committee released on Friday evening the text of the health-care bill that committee members will vote on next week, the result of nearly two weeks of committee debate and amendments.


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TOPICS: Breaking News; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: carper; obamacare; readthebill; socialism
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To: wmfights

See “WALK OUT FOR AMERICA” campaign: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2354451/posts


41 posted on 10/04/2009 9:32:43 AM PDT by GVnana (Sarah for America)
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To: snowsislander

Will someone please remind the Congress that Obama said that “Public Will Have 5 Days To Look At Every Bill That Lands On My Desk”. Just in case the Dems try to pull a fast one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5t8GdxFYBU


42 posted on 10/04/2009 9:33:41 AM PDT by IM2MAD
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To: kindred

Just Say NO


43 posted on 10/04/2009 9:37:38 AM PDT by Typical_Whitey (Joe Wilson was speaking truth to power in the Peoples House. I am Joe !)
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To: FreeReign

“Goodbye private insurance. The government run “option” will become the only choice.”

DING!! DING!! DING!!!
WE HAVE A WINNER!!!

NOW you begin to understand what this is all about.


44 posted on 10/04/2009 9:54:43 AM PDT by tcrlaf ("Hope" is the most Evil of all Evils"-Neitzsche)
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To: GVnana
Pick your bunk! Next week
Congress will make all Americans = Wards of the State

STATE HOSPITAL Pictures, Images and Photos
45 posted on 10/04/2009 9:57:57 AM PDT by Son House (President Øbama => Status: AWOL)
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To: GVnana

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/10/02/democratic-senator-of-course-im-not-going-to-read-the-obamacare-bill/

And that ignoramus Carper said he won’t read the bill, Republicans would just pretend they did, and WE THE PEOPLE don’t have the intelligence to.


46 posted on 10/04/2009 10:10:05 AM PDT by Wisconsinlady
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To: GVnana

“Amend Title I, Subtitle B to require that, notwithstanding any other provision of law, beginning in 2013 elected officials and federal employees may purchase coverage through a state-based exchange, rather than using the traditional Federal Employees Health Benefits Plan (FEHBP).”

Sure, like the Federal employees would choose this over their own current insurance. Bravo Sierra. If they get to keep theirs then this continues to be B.S.


47 posted on 10/04/2009 10:14:19 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Looking for our Sam Adams)
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To: GVnana
"35% excise tax ... levied at insurer level"

Isn't that artful. That way, the eeeeevil greedy insurance companies get blamed for the runup in premiums.
48 posted on 10/04/2009 10:36:34 AM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast (Cheney/Palin 2012!)
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To: snippy_about_it

Reading through the Modifications first so when I read the other I know the updated version. Just the modifications are frightening.

To Accept Carper Amendment # C4:
Add a new section to Title II, Subtitle—B Medicaid
Require the Secretary of Health and Human Services to issue guidance to states and health care providers regarding Medicaid’s coverage of obesity-related services and preventive services. The Secretary will also be required to increase public awareness of and education regarding coverage of obesity-related benefits such as obesity screening and counseling for both children and adults. The Secretary will report to Congress on its public awareness efforts as well as the guidance provided to states and health care providers every three years starting in 2011 and ending in 2017.


49 posted on 10/04/2009 10:40:04 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Looking for our Sam Adams)
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To: ez
So where can we read it?

The article has a link.

50 posted on 10/04/2009 10:46:51 AM PDT by ColdWater
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To: GVnana

Not enough NOISE is being made about these recent maneuvers. Wake up people!!!

We need lots of phone calls to be made...etc.. We really ought to consider a huge rally in DC on a WORKING day!


51 posted on 10/04/2009 10:48:19 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To Add a Provision to Reduce Wasteful Dispensing of Outpatient Prescription Drugs in Long-term Care Settings
The Mark would require Medicare Part D prescription drug and Medicare Advantage prescription drug plans to employ utilization management techniques, such as blister packs, when dispensing medications to beneficiaries who reside in long-term care facilities in order to reduce waste associated with 30-day fills.

Guess they don’t plan on us staying in nursing homes for long.


52 posted on 10/04/2009 10:49:48 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Looking for our Sam Adams)
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To: GVnana

What is that crap??? 40% tax if your plan costs over 8000.00 a year for an individual? That’s BS. I pay over 12,000. just for mine. If this passes, I’m seriously thinking we will probably get out of here.


53 posted on 10/04/2009 11:03:24 AM PDT by mojitojoe (Socialism is just the last “feel good” step on the path to Communism and its slavery. Lenin)
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To: GVnana

One page into it and what comes to mind is “what is the Constitutional basis for the Federal government to be doing this?”


54 posted on 10/04/2009 11:05:35 AM PDT by NonValueAdded ("The President has borrowed more money to spend to less effect than anybody on the planet. " Steyn)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

That date night didn’t look like much fun. The wookie had a puss on her face.


55 posted on 10/04/2009 11:06:38 AM PDT by mojitojoe (Socialism is just the last “feel good” step on the path to Communism and its slavery. Lenin)
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To: GVnana

I wonder what the fines are if you don’t buy insurance?


56 posted on 10/04/2009 11:21:34 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Found the penalty language. Page 38 of the PDF file.

Excise Tax. The consequence for not maintaining insurance would be an excise tax of $750 per adult in the household. This per adult penalty would be phased in as follows: For 2013, $0; $200 for 2014; $400 for 2015; $600 in 2016 and $750 in 2017.

57 posted on 10/04/2009 11:32:05 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: NonValueAdded

I’m up to page 31 of 223. The entire thing is horrific. Looks like my out of pocket will be upwards of 5 grand and premiums of over 12,000.

This is the mandate that we get coverage, pg 31.(I added the paragraphs to make it easier to read):

Personal Responsibility Requirement. Beginning in 2013, all U.S. citizens and legal residents would be required to purchase coverage through (1) the individual market, a public program such as Medicare, Medicaid, the Children‘s Health Insurance Program, Veteran‘s Health Care Program, or TRICARE or through an employer (or as a dependent of a covered employee) in the small group market, meeting at least the requirements of a bronze plan, or (2) in the large group market, in a plan with first dollar coverage for prevention-related services as recommended by the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force – except in cases where value-based insurance design is used and cannot have a maximum out-of-pocket limit greater than that provided by the standards established for HSA current law limit.

Exemptions from the requirement to have health coverage would be allowed for religious objections that are consistent with those allowed under Medicare, and for undocumented aliens. An individual enrolled in a grandfathered plan would be deemed to have met the responsibility requirement.

In order to ensure compliance, individuals would be required to report on their Federal income tax return the months for which they maintain the required minimum health coverage for themselves and all dependents under age 18.

In addition to this self-attestation by individuals of qualified coverage, insurers (including employers who self-insure and therefore act as insurers), must report information on health insurance coverage information to both the covered individual and to the Internal Revenue Service. This information includes months of coverage in the tax year and individuals covered on the policy and may include other relevant information.

A similar reporting requirement would apply to employers with respect to individuals enrolled in group health plans if the reporting is not provided by the insurer (for example in the case of self-insured plans) and for those enrolled in public health insurance plans.


58 posted on 10/04/2009 12:01:52 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Looking for our Sam Adams)
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So far to simplify it, employers who offer insurance won’t get tax credits as well as employees who sign up for the employers insurance.

In other words, they make it real juicy if the employer opts for insurance from one of the “exchanges”. The employer can then get a tax credit but the employee doesn’t get any credits if they are paid more than 300% of the FPL (Federal Poverty Level) FPL in 2009 was a little over 10 grand for 1 person, a little over 14 grand for 2 people.

That makes 300% of the FPL about 42 to 43 grand for two income families. Earn that much and no tax credits for you no matter whose insurance you buy.


59 posted on 10/04/2009 12:09:48 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Looking for our Sam Adams)
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CO-OPs, basically community organizing insurance companies, I expect for friends of the Dear Leader:

The Chairman‘s Mark authorizes $6 billion in funding the Consumer Operated and Oriented Plan (CO-OP) program to foster the creation of non-profit, member-run health insurance companies that serve individuals in one or more states. CO-OP grantees would compete in the reformed individual and small group insurance markets.

Federal funds would be distributed as loans and grants. Loans would be provided to assist with start-up costs, and grants would be provided to meet state solvency requirements.


60 posted on 10/04/2009 12:14:43 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Looking for our Sam Adams)
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