Posted on 10/03/2009 8:12:16 AM PDT by pabianice
Senate Finance Committee expected to pass bill within days. May involve requiring the states to fund Obamacare so Dems can say it doesn't add to the deficit.
If they force the states to pay for it - can the states refuse to do it?
Make our day, Harry!
Again, Unconstitutional. When are the states going to wake up and stop ceding their sovereignty to despots in DC? More accurately, I should ask, will they?
Oh, that'll work great! I hear some states, like California, have a huge budget surplus just waiting for such an opportunity.
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Hard to say. I would think they could, but the Feds have other funding levers. What bothers me is that State deficits are increasingly funded by the Federal government through such devices as re-allocation of stimulus funds.
What now,are they going to threaten federal highway funding again?
Passing healthcare on the backs of the states will cause 50 , 10th amendment lawsuits.
Cali will be the biggest loser since most of the estimated 120M new illegals will be going there. With the Cali farmers getting 90% of their water cut off, it will be anarchy soon.
Yes. But will they? We should list the federal mandates requiring funding by the states that the states have refused to enforce:
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That pretty much covers them.
this should wake them up
Let's look at history:
DECLARATION OF THE IMMEDIATE CAUSES WHICH INDUCE AND JUSTIFY THE SECESSION OF SOUTH CAROLINA FROM THE FEDERAL UNION.The people of the State of South Carolina, in Convention assembled, on the 26th day of April, A.D., 1852, declared that the frequent violations of the Constitution of the United States, by the Federal Government, and its encroachments upon the reserved rights of the States, fully justified this State in then withdrawing from the Federal Union; but in deference to the opinions and wishes of the other slaveholding States, she forbore at that time to exercise this right. Since that time, these encroachments have continued to increase, and further forbearance ceases to be a virtue.
And now the State of South Carolina having resumed her separate and equal place among nations, deems it due to herself, to the remaining United States of America, and to the nations of the world, that she should declare the immediate causes which have led to this act.
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President Lincoln said no.
Seriously, this would be a great 10th Amendment case. There is no power in the Constitution for either the federales doing Obamacare themselves for for forcing in on the states.
The plan seems tyo be nothing more than creating a "kitty" like SS, Medicare...something tht can't be sustained without upping the "tax".
You really have to ask “What the hell is the hurry here?” What are they going to gain by ramming this thru? What do they loose if it doesn’t go thru? It won’t go into effect until 2013.....after the election in 2012.
If it did go into effect prior to the election, it will destroy Obama’s election bid because people will see exactly what it does to them.
I think in this climate. there are a few governors and legislatures that would be willing to stand on their sovereign rights. Texas comes to mind. If ten or fifteen states refuse on X Amendment grounds this could get interesting. I could see the Dems linking all fed dollars to states to compliance with Obamacare, so it could be very difficult for any state to maintain its non compliance.
Hello 20% unemployment, if the states have to raise taxes.
And what about states that have no income tax, like my Texas? Good luck trying to pass an income tax here. This may be the straw that breaks the camel’s back in the secession issue.
I agree. Which is a large part why the feds have kicked so much money back to the states for decades. To addict them.
What people fail to realize is that our federal taxes should be withheld from going to DC. The states should refuse the mandate, then when the feds withhold other money, the states should direct equivalent dollars from its resident's federal taxes into its own coffers.
I'm not sure how it could be managed, but somehow a state could short DC the same monies that DC is shorting them.
Think of the irony here. DC CONFISCATES my earnings, then refuses to send them back to my state unless my state (and me) willingly submit to blackmail and rape.
Our state is broke and I don’t see where with unemplyment over 12% nyone could possibly afford to pay more taxes.
A thread a few days ago said that several states are already debating bills that reject a national health care system and assert the state’s right to do so.
The only monies that states control vis a vis the IRS are the salaries of state workers. A state with many employees could refuse to forward the withholding to the IRS. If the state had cooperation from local govts that ampunt could be increased, but withholding from private employers is beyond the reach of state govt.
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