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Finance Committee Democrat Won’t Read Text of Health Bill (text of bill will not be published)
CNS News ^ | 10/02/09 | Nicholas Ballasy

Posted on 10/02/2009 4:26:41 PM PDT by MissesBush

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These Dems make it entirely too easy to oppose them and their idiotic schemes. Do they really not see how ridiculous they are? Of course the media will never call them on their b.s. If Carper isn't bright enough to read and understand this bill, then give up your Senate seat to someone who is imbecile!
1 posted on 10/02/2009 4:26:41 PM PDT by MissesBush
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To: MissesBush

Of course they won’t read it. Way too many big words and lawyer speak. They haven’t got a clue what all that crap means. Why bother reading it.


2 posted on 10/02/2009 4:29:33 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (I don't remember Americans being called "racists" when we fought against Hillarycare.)
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To: MissesBush
“I don’t expect to actually read the legislative language because reading the legislative language is among the more confusing things I’ve ever read in my life,” Carper told CNSNews.com.

We don't understand it but we know how to run socialist health care.
3 posted on 10/02/2009 4:29:43 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! FairTaxNation.com)
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To: MissesBush

I know what you mean but remember they are from an ivy league school and they know whats good for us. I wish this video would be shown on local tv but I wont hold my breath.


4 posted on 10/02/2009 4:31:15 PM PDT by lmarie373 (*These little guys might look cute and cuddly, but trust us: they will kill you.-on emanuel brothers)
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To: MissesBush

If the bill can’t be understood then it should never see the light of day! I thought congress passed a bill that requires credit card companies to use understandable language in their fine print - I thought that was what I read.


5 posted on 10/02/2009 4:32:41 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Also he shouldn’t bother voting on the bill either


6 posted on 10/02/2009 4:32:42 PM PDT by lmarie373 (*These little guys might look cute and cuddly, but trust us: they will kill you.-on emanuel brothers)
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To: MissesBush

There is no good reason any bill should be more than a few hundred pages long at most.


7 posted on 10/02/2009 4:32:54 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: MissesBush
I really try to stay up on things political, and one of the means available to me is CSPAN

Now, every time a bill or ammendment is proposed, the clerk starts to read and someone calls out, "Mr President, I ask that the reading be suspended", to which the response is, "Pursuant to blah blah blah .. the reading is suspended">

OK ... when the vote comes up, some patriot needs only protest the suspension of the reading and demand the full reading.

Saul Alinsky ... use their own rules against them.

8 posted on 10/02/2009 4:50:32 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: MissesBush; All

Here is an example of a part of the first bill that I broke down:

NOTE: DON’T LET THE LEGISLATIVE GOBBLEDY_GOOK SHOWN BELOW SCARE YOU AWAY FROM READING THIS POST: I PUT IT THERE FOR A SPECIFIC REASON)

I was trying to figure out what is going to happen with physician compensation because I heard from a physician that all specialties, brain surgeons and dermatologists, will be paid the same. So, I tried to look through it, and in the process stumbled across how they plan to reduce both payment AND availability of imaging resources (such as CT, MR, etc.)

This is pissing me off, and really, it is beginning to make me burn. Look at how this thing is written. I copied the section below right out of the document. Look further down for my explanation if you are interested.

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SEC. 1147. PAYMENT FOR IMAGING SERVICES.
10 (a) ADJUSTMENT IN PRACTICE EXPENSE TO RE11
FLECT HIGHER PRESUMED UTILIZATION.—Section 1848
12 of the Social Security Act (42 U.S.C. 1395w) is amend13
ed—
14 (1) in subsection (b)(4)—
15 (A) in subparagraph (B), by striking ‘‘sub16
paragraph (A)’’ and inserting ‘‘this paragraph’’;
17 and
18 (B) by adding at the end the following new
19 subparagraph:
20 ‘‘(C) ADJUSTMENT IN PRACTICE EXPENSE
21 TO REFLECT HIGHER PRESUMED UTILIZA22
TION.—In computing the number of practice
23 expense relative value units under subsection
24 (c)(2)(C)(ii) with respect to advanced diagnostic
25 imaging services (as defined in section
VerDate Nov 24 2008 23:22 Jul 14, 2009 Jkt 079200 PO 00000 Frm 00273 Fmt 6652 Sfmt 6201 E:\BILLS\H3200.IH H3200 jlentini on DSKJ8SOYB1PROD with BILLS
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•HR 3200 IH
1 1834(e)(1)(B)), the Secretary shall adjust such
2 number of units so it reflects a 75 percent
3 (rather than 50 percent) presumed rate of utili4
zation of imaging equipment.’’; and
5 (2) in subsection (c)(2)(B)(v)(II), by inserting
6 ‘‘AND OTHER PROVISIONS’’ after ‘‘OPD PAYMENT
7 CAP’’.
8 (b) ADJUSTMENT IN TECHNICAL COMPONENT ‘‘DIS9
COUNT’’ ON SINGLE-SESSION IMAGING TO CONSECUTIVE
10 BODY PARTS.—Section 1848(b)(4) of such Act is further
11 amended by adding at the end the following new subpara12
graph:
13 ‘‘(D) ADJUSTMENT IN TECHNICAL COMPO14
NENT DISCOUNT ON SINGLE-SESSION IMAGING
15 INVOLVING CONSECUTIVE BODY PARTS.—The
16 Secretary shall increase the reduction in ex17
penditures attributable to the multiple proce18
dure payment reduction applicable to the tech19
nical component for imaging under the final
20 rule published by the Secretary in the Federal
21 Register on November 21, 2005 (part 405 of
22 title 42, Code of Federal Regulations) from 25
23 percent to 50 percent.’’.
24 (c) EFFECTIVE DATE.—Except as otherwise pro25
vided, this section, and the amendments made by this sec-
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1 tion, shall apply to services furnished on or after January
2 1,
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The following two paragraphs below show what the BULL$HIT above boils down to in normal english, and what it actually MEANS. This just steams me.

“SEC. 1147. PAYMENT FOR IMAGING SERVICES.
ADJUSTMENT IN PRACTICE EXPENSE TO REFLECT HIGHER PRESUMED UTILIZATION
In computing the number of practice expense relative value units under subsection the Secretary shall adjust such number of units so it reflects a 75 percent (rather than 50 percent) presumed rate of utilization of imaging equipment.”

(I am no expert on this, but downloading a Powerpoint Presentation, and looking around at various critiques of the way practice expense is calculated, INCREASING the presumed rate of utilization drives DOWN the amount of money you get paid. I am a genius. I assumed that, but figured I better check it out...)
END RESULT: LESS MONEY FOR IMAGING, FEWER SERVICES OFFERED.

“Section 1848
ADJUSTMENT IN TECHNICAL COMPONENT DISCOUNT ON SINGLE-SESSION IMAGING INVOLVING CONSECUTIVE BODY PARTS.
The Secretary shall increase the reduction in expenditures attributable to the multiple procedure payment reduction applicable to the technical component for imaging from 25 percent to 50 percent.”

(What this means is that from now on, if you do a CT of the Abdomen AND a CT of the pelvis without moving the patient, you now get paid 50% less rather than 25% less. This is huge, and just one example of how they are going to cut billions of dollars a year in costs. The scumbags will say with a straight face that they aren’t rationing, but if you don’t get paid for the service, you either don’t do the service, or you go broke)
END RESULT: LESS MONEY FOR IMAGING, FEWER SERVICES OFFERED.

According to the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (at this link: http://www.aapsonline.org/ this is an organization that advocates for physicians, not like the AMA which is advocating for liberalism) these sections above up to a reduction of 4.3 billion dollars a year in money to be paid for imaging. If someone interprets that some different way, please let me know...but if you bring in 45 million more people and reduce the money you pay...gee whiz, what is the end result?

Now, I wasn’t born yesterday, and I know why they are doing this, but this is our healthcare we are talking about, and they have deliberately tried to bury as much of it in incomprehensible legalese as they can get it. It made me madder and madder as I tried to go through it.

THEY DON’T WANT ANYONE TO READ AND UNDERSTAND THIS.


9 posted on 10/02/2009 4:53:32 PM PDT by rlmorel (Obama, The Flatulence of One Thousand Black Dogs After Eating Boiled Eggs Be Upon Him...)
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To: rlmorel

And, they were bashing the insurance companies for not explaining everything and having hidden clauses.


10 posted on 10/02/2009 5:10:45 PM PDT by Achilles Heel
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To: knarf

Before you sign it — read it!


11 posted on 10/02/2009 5:16:39 PM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: Man50D

...The best reason to kill the whole mess in DC, uppp, I mean, killthe bill...


12 posted on 10/02/2009 5:27:08 PM PDT by gargoyle (...My thoughts are not seditious, or treasonous, they're revolutionary...)
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To: MissesBush

Read the d@mn bill THEN decide how to vote.

That is your one and only job.

Do it.


13 posted on 10/02/2009 5:30:54 PM PDT by paulycy (Screw the RACErs)
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To: rlmorel

“Now, I wasn’t born yesterday, and I know why they are doing this, but this is our healthcare we are talking about, and they have deliberately tried to bury as much of it in incomprehensible legalese as they can get it. It made me madder and madder as I tried to go through it.

THEY DON’T WANT ANYONE TO READ AND UNDERSTAND THIS.”

And yet, you are reading it and painstakingly deciphering their BS legalese which is incomprehensible at first/second/third glance.
You’re doing it...keep going!
Stop reading their BS whenever you begin to sense utter confusion or disorientation but save your notes. Post those notes here on FR.
You’re a brave one and I appreciate your efforts. :)


14 posted on 10/02/2009 5:49:52 PM PDT by hyperconservative (Seek and find. Read, verify, and share info. Work and fight.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

They’ll have to break out the dictionary. Big words are just to hard to digest. Can you say ‘transparency’?


15 posted on 10/02/2009 5:50:44 PM PDT by Indy Pendance (Live Free Or Die)
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To: MissesBush

Carper described the type of language the actual text of the bill would finally be drafted in as "arcane," "confusing," "hard stuff to understand," and "incomprehensible."

Hey, give us a shot at it, Einstein. It's Democrats that don't know how to read.

16 posted on 10/02/2009 5:55:41 PM PDT by kempster
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To: MissesBush

I say BRING THE PLAIN language Bill before the House!!! Dump the other!!!!


17 posted on 10/02/2009 6:00:32 PM PDT by pollywog (staying...... " Under His Wings" Psalm 91:4)
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Scratch that last post! Don’t bring ANY HEALTH care BILL before the HOUSE!


18 posted on 10/02/2009 6:02:13 PM PDT by pollywog (staying...... " Under His Wings" Psalm 91:4)
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To: MissesBush
This is arrogance beyond arrogance...disregard beyond prudence, and ignorance surpassed only by stupidity.

Each needs intimate acquaintance with the tar, feathers and rail.

19 posted on 10/02/2009 6:02:42 PM PDT by mo
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I’m sorry but it’s not “ridiculous”, it’s “treasonous”.


20 posted on 10/02/2009 6:21:43 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (ALSO SPRACH ZEROTHUSTRA)
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